Israel is the Elect of God

[TomL]

I know what it says. It's your interpretation that is in error, not Scripture because everything in the New Covenant writings will not contradict the Old Covenant writings. This means that the animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Covenant that was offered yearly for the sins of the children of Israel was never offered for the sins of Gentiles.

Hardly as you are not even on topic

Which is not all Israelites were saved

Romans 9:27–29 (KJV 1900) — 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

You went off on a tangent and never discussed the actual topic

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hardly as you are not even on topic

Which is not all Israelites were saved

Romans 9:27–29 (KJV 1900) — 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

You went off on a tangent and never discussed the actual topic

I find you contradict Scripture frequently.

God says, Jesus came to redeem those under the Law" and you reject that word.

God says, "and all Israel shall be saved" and you reject that too.

I show through Scripture there are no Gentiles in the Abrahamic Covenant, and you reject that Scripture, too.

I recognize you as a person who rejects God. Period.

 

[brightfame52]

Jewish history and culture. Jewish covenants, prophets, Scripture, characters, Temples, Tabernacle, all of it Jewish and none of it fables.
You're infected with false Gentile theology that has blinded you from the truth of Scripture. I used to believe all that Gentile-biased theology but not anymore. I am free indeed!
Too bad you don't see. You have to open your eyes to see, but then again God controls the seeing eye and the hearing ear, not you.
You are as you are because God has deemed it that way. Just pray God remove the error of YOUR ways and show you His.

cant get away from them jewish fables can you?

 

[TomL]

I find you contradict Scripture frequently.

God says, Jesus came to redeem those under the Law" and you reject that word.

God says, "and all Israel shall be saved" and you reject that too.

I show through Scripture there are no Gentiles in the Abrahamic Covenant, and you reject that Scripture, too.

I recognize you as a person who rejects God. Period.

Sorry you do not know what you are talking about

I do not deny that

I deny he redeems only Jews as you seem to imagine

in addition you fail to note how the term Israel might be used

Romans 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

and this as well

Romans 9:27–29 (KJV 1900) — 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Your also ignore how the gentiles are made fellow citizens and heirs of Abraham through faith in Christ

Your problem is you like to pick and choose what tickles your fancy rather than consider all scripture

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry you do not know what you are talking about

I do not deny that

I deny he redeems only Jews as you seem to imagine

in addition you fail to note how the term Israel might be used

Romans 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

and this as well

Romans 9:27–29 (KJV 1900) — 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Your also ignore how the gentiles are made fellow citizens and heirs of Abraham through faith in Christ

Your problem is you like to pick and choose what tickles your fancy rather than consider

I'm glad you brought Romans 9:27 up so I can show you and others how Saul manipulated the Word of God and changed an Old Testament prophecy to suit his needs. He completely changed the meaning of Isaiah's prophecy to make it say something else entirely. Those that do that are false apostles. If Saul can do it what's to prevent others, even enemies of Christianity from doing the same thing to destroy Christianity.

Saul:
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: Ro 9:26–27.

Isaiah:
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea,
Yet a remnant of them shall return:
Isaiah 10:22.

But you're not worried about it. You do the same thing.

Being saved and returning from someplace are not the same thing.

If Saul can do that then he destroys the inspiration of Scripture.

Yup, that's what he's done.

 

[TomL]

I'm glad you brought Romans 9:27 up so I can show you and others how Saul manipulated the Word of God and changed an Old Testament prophecy to suit his needs. He completely changed the meaning of Isaiah's prophecy to make it say something else entirely. Those that do that are false apostles. If Saul can do it what's to prevent others, even enemies of Christianity from doing the same thing to destroy Christianity.

Saul:
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: Ro 9:26–27.

Isaiah:
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea,
Yet a remnant of them shall return:
Isaiah 10:22.

But you're not worried about it. You do the same thing.

Being saved and returning from someplace are not the same thing.

If Saul can do that then he destroys the inspiration of Scripture.

Yup, that's what he's done.

What part of only a remnant with be saved do you not understand

BTW return in Isaiah 10:22 is to return to God



D

 

[jeremiah1five]

What part of only a remnant with be saved do you not understand

BTW return in Isaiah 10:22 is to return to God



D

I understand Saul manipulated God's Word and added to God's Word and doing such a thing is a sin. Anyone that does this is a false apostle to molest God's Word to make it say something else entirely. Mormons, JW's, and other false churches do this, but God is one step ahead of them and will judge them unless they repent. Starting with Saul.

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov. 30:6.

Scripture, the Word of God, and God Himself call Paul/Saul a LIAR.
I don't blindly follow liars of God's Word. Scripture cannot be broken, and in this case changed by anyone. Not even God Himself can change what He's already said because God does not lie.
Men do. Saul did.
LIAR!

 

[TomL]

I understand Saul manipulated God's Word and added to God's Word and doing such a thing is a sin. Anyone that does this is a false apostle to molest God's Word to make it say something else entirely. Mormons, JW's, and other false churches do this, but God is one step ahead of them and will judge them unless they repent. Starting with Saul.

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov. 30:6.

Scripture, the Word of God, and God Himself call Paul/Saul a LIAR.
I don't blindly follow liars of God's Word. Scripture cannot be broken, and in this case changed by anyone. Not even God Himself can change what He's already said because God does not lie.
Men do. Saul did.
LIAR!

In other words you do not believe the new testament

and in error

Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

Paul is correct you are in error

 

[jeremiah1five]

In other words you do not believe the new testament

and in error

Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

Paul is correct you are in error

I believe that Saul, a Jewish Christian and remaining obedient to God's Torah Law, wrote to Jewish Christians in Thessalonica warning them that God shall send them (Gentiles) a strong delusion that they (Gentiles) shall believe a lie is continuing to this day since the destruction of the Jewish Temple and following that Gentiles created a new religion, one that is unmoored from Hebrew roots and a false religion that just may be identified in Scripture as the Mother of Harlots and primed for judgment from God.
God hates liars. And Gentiles taking advantage of Jewish destruction kick a people when they're down, steal their covenants, steal their prophets, steal Israel's inheritance of promises that were given to Abraham AND HIS SEED, and try to pass themselves off as the new Israel which is completely disobedient to God's Law as given to the children of Israel and are under God's judgment.
God called up Assyria to judge His people, Israel, and then judged that nation for coming against the children of Israel, that God called up Babylon and attacked Israel and later God judged Babylon for attacking Israel, and that God called up the Romans (Gentiles) to attack and destroy Israel did later judge the Roman Gentiles in AD 410 when the Barbarians destroyed and sacked Rome, and that Gentiles who steal what belongs to Israel are being given enough rope from God which God will use to hang Gentiles.
I've read the last page of the bible and do know what?

ISRAEL WINS!

Saul is a liar to change and break Scripture as prophesied by Isaiah to make God's Word to say something else. Such people that do that are up there in the ranks of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses who have already done that very thing. Be careful.
It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.

 

[TomL]

I believe that Saul, a Jewish Christian and remaining obedient to God's Torah Law, wrote to Jewish Christians in Thessalonica warning them that God shall send them (Gentiles) a strong delusion that they (Gentiles) shall believe a lie is continuing to this day since the destruction of the Jewish Temple and following that Gentiles created a new religion, one that is unmoored from Hebrew roots and a false religion that just may be identified in Scripture as the Mother of Harlots and primed for judgment from God.
God hates liars. And Gentiles taking advantage of Jewish destruction kick a people when they're down, steal their covenants, steal their prophets, steal Israel's inheritance of promises that were given to Abraham AND HIS SEED, and try to pass themselves off as the new Israel which is completely disobedient to God's Law as given to the children of Israel and are under God's judgment.
God called up Assyria to judge His people, Israel, and then judged that nation for coming against the children of Israel, that God called up Babylon and attacked Israel and later God judged Babylon for attacking Israel, and that God called up the Romans (Gentiles) to attack and destroy Israel did later judge the Roman Gentiles in AD 410 when the Barbarians destroyed and sacked Rome, and that Gentiles who steal what belongs to Israel are being given enough rope from God which God will use to hang Gentiles.
I've read the last page of the bible and do know what?

ISRAEL WINS!

Saul is a liar to change and break Scripture as prophesied by Isaiah to make God's Word to say something else. Such people that do that are up there in the ranks of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses who have already done that very thing. Be careful.
It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.

You ignored the context of your own reference

In other words you do not believe the new testament

and in error

Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

Paul is correct you are in error

 

[jeremiah1five]

You ignored the context of your own reference

In other words you do not believe the new testament

and in error

Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

Paul is correct you are in error

Stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Be forewarned.

22 And Samuel said,
Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD,
He hath also rejected thee from being king.
1 Sam. 15:22–23.

 

[TomL]

Stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Be forewarned.

22 And Samuel said,
Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD,
He hath also rejected thee from being king.
1 Sam. 15:22–23.

You testify against yourself having

ignored the context of your own reference

Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

Paul is correct, you are in error

 

[jeremiah1five]

You testify against yourself having

ignored the context of your own reference

Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

Paul is correct, you are in error

Saul is NOT correct.
He changes the word from the original "return" as prophesied by Isaiah to "saved" in Romans.
This is manipulation of God's Word.
Christians call out Mormons and JW's when they did this in their own bibles.

 

[TomL]

Saul is NOT correct.
He changes the word from the original "return" as prophesied by Isaiah to "saved" in Romans.
This is manipulation of God's Word.
Christians call out Mormons and JW's when they did this in their own bibles.

You ignored the context of your own reference and that refutes your claim


Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

The rest did not return to God as to be saved.

Paul is correct, you are in error

 

[mikesw]

You ignored the context of your own reference and that refutes your claim


Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

The rest did not return to God as to be saved.

Paul is correct, you are in error

Remember that you are debating with someone whose heavenly vision places him on an equal level with Paul but also able to correct Paul's errors.

You have aptly noted that only those who returned were saved. In a sense, Isaiah overstated the prophecy by mentioning that they "returned." Few had been following God before Christ's ministry. Interesting to note is that there were people mentioned in the gospels as righteous such that their hearts were already turned toward God.

 

[TomL]

Remember that you are debating with someone whose heavenly vision places him on an equal level with Paul but also able to correct Paul's errors.

In his own mind anyway

You have aptly noted that only those who returned were saved. In a sense, Isaiah overstated the prophecy by mentioning that they "returned." Few had been following God before Christ's ministry. Interesting to note is that there were people mentioned in the gospels as righteous such that their hearts were already turned toward God.

Yes

so Paul was correct and that one in error

 

[jeremiah1five]

You ignored the context of your own reference and that refutes your claim


Isaiah 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, Unto the mighty God.

The rest did not return to God as to be saved.

Paul is correct, you are in error

They were already IN COVENANT and saved.

the high priest entered the Holy of Holies every year with the blood of the sacrifice, presented it before God, smeared the Mercy Seat of the Ark and every Jew in the covenant was atoned (saved) until later when God would send His very own Son to take the place of the animal and atone for the sins of the Jewish people eternally.
Too bad God never did this for Gentiles.

 

[mikesw]

They were already IN COVENANT and saved.

the high priest entered the Holy of Holies every year with the blood of the sacrifice, presented it before God, smeared the Mercy Seat of the Ark and every Jew in the covenant was atoned (saved) until later when God would send His very own Son to take the place of the animal and atone for the sins of the Jewish people eternally.
Too bad God never did this for Gentiles.

You now you deny that Christ's sacrifice could do nothing more than save a remnant of Jews in the first century. That is really bad to go that direction. You indicate God was too weak to reach the rest of the world with saving grace.

 

[mikesw]

In his own mind anyway

Oh. How can you say that? How rude

P. S. to Eve, I'm just kidding. I agree with TomL here. And Eve, I'm just trying to be funny including you here. I understand the hindrances to recognizing sarcasm.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You now you deny that Christ's sacrifice could do nothing more than save a remnant of Jews in the first century. That is really bad to go that direction. You indicate God was too weak to reach the rest of the world with saving grace.

No, I never said a remnant will be saved, but agree with Saul who said: (read carefully)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:25–27.

This is the covenant God has with Israel, to take away their sins.
It is written.
It will be fulfilled.
The Times of the Gentiles is fast coming to a close and Daniel's 70th week will begin.
God's message to His covenant people ISRAEL "Be prepared."

God has NO COVENANT with Gentiles. According to Psalms 2 the Gentile nations will be Israel's inheritance.
They are a people called of God ABOVE all peoples of the earth.
The apple of God's eye.
His Betrothed.
He Church, a Great Congregation.
Amen.