Spiritual life in Christ. Prove it refers to regeneration. I will wait.
Is persuasion even necessary in Calvinism ?
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the meaning of regeneration is spiritual life, the new birth, born again. All synonyms.
Strong's Lexicon
paliggenesia: Regeneration, Renewal
Original Word: παλιγγενεσία
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: paliggenesia
Pronunciation: pah-leeng-ghen-es-ee'-ah
Phonetic Spelling: (pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah)
Definition: Regeneration, Renewal
Meaning: a new birth, regeneration, renewal.
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3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).
need more proof ?
and best of all it was a very short wait
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Ya? And? So what. Regeneration is the process, not life itself.the meaning of regeneration is spiritual life, the new birth, born again. All synonyms.
Strong's Lexicon
paliggenesia: Regeneration, Renewal
Original Word: παλιγγενεσία
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: paliggenesia
Pronunciation: pah-leeng-ghen-es-ee'-ah
Phonetic Spelling: (pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah)
Definition: Regeneration, Renewal
Meaning: a new birth, regeneration, renewal.
HELPS Word-studies
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).
need more proof ?
and best of all it was a very short wait
civic
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nope its the new birth which is not a "process".
Regeneration is a process. So it most certainly is.
civic
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Nope show me in the Bible
The Bible is not a dictionary. LOL words however mean things. Google the word regeneration. The 6th word in the definition is what? "Process".Nope show me in the Bible
Life is imparted through regeneration
Hello
Do you just ignore this?
The Scripture representations of men’s inability are exceedingly strong. They are said to be without strength,1 captives,2 in bond age,3 asleep,4 dead,5 &c. The act by which they are delivered from their natural state, is called regeneration, quickening or giving life, renewing, resurrection, translation, creation; and it is directly ascribed to the power of God, the power that called light out of darkness, and raised up Christ from the dead.
And when the principle of spiritual life is imparted to the soul, it controls all its mental and moral energies, so that they work to its spiritual nourishment and growth in grace. The Scriptures, therefore, in teaching that regeneration is a quickening, do thereby reveal to us its nature as a work not of man, or of moral suasion, or of divine efficiency operating through second causes, but of the immediate, and therefore the almighty power of God.
Charles Hodge, Systematic Theology (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 700–701.
The death and resurrection of Christ are not a mere judicial process, upon which we may rest in an outward way: for when Christ imparts to us righteousness, which is the fruit of His death and resurrection, we must experience the power of that righteousness within ourselves, and the same conduces to our spiritual resurrection. We are now, i.e., here in this life, raised up out of the life of sin into a new life. This takes place in our quickening or regeneration by the Holy Ghost and through our sanctification, not of ourselves, but “by His (Christ’s) power.” As the mortification of the old man (Ques. 43, I., 1) by the power of Christ’s death is the first part of our sanctification, so the quickening of the new man, the new life in us, by the power of His resurrection, constitutes the second part. Rom. 6:4, 6, Col. 2:12, 13, 2 Cor. 5:17, Phil. 3:9–14.
Otto Thelemann, An Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism (trans. M. Peters; Reading, PA: James I. Good, D. D, Publisher, 1896), 175.
regeneration: A secret act of God in which he imparts new spiritual life to us; sometimes called “being born again.” (34)
Wayne A. Grudem, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine (Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, MI: Inter-Varsity Press; Zondervan Pub. House, 2004), 1253.
civic
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No the Bible tells us the meaning of the Greek word which I provided.
Neither does John 20:31. LOL
I did not ignore anything. Post something of relevance and I will happily acknowledge it. So far nothing you have posted proves life in John 20:31 proves it is referring to the process of regeneration. After all, the word does not appear in the text right?
sorry, the verse clearly speaks of the impartation of life which is regeneration
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
and again that is life
The Scripture representations of men’s inability are exceedingly strong. They are said to be without strength,1 captives,2 in bond age,3 asleep,4 dead,5 &c. The act by which they are delivered from their natural state, is called regeneration, quickening or giving life, renewing, resurrection, translation, creation; and it is directly ascribed to the power of God, the power that called light out of darkness, and raised up Christ from the dead.
And when the principle of spiritual life is imparted to the soul, it controls all its mental and moral energies, so that they work to its spiritual nourishment and growth in grace. The Scriptures, therefore, in teaching that regeneration is a quickening, do thereby reveal to us its nature as a work not of man, or of moral suasion, or of divine efficiency operating through second causes, but of the immediate, and therefore the almighty power of God.
Charles Hodge, Systematic Theology (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 700–701.
The death and resurrection of Christ are not a mere judicial process, upon which we may rest in an outward way: for when Christ imparts to us righteousness, which is the fruit of His death and resurrection, we must experience the power of that righteousness within ourselves, and the same conduces to our spiritual resurrection. We are now, i.e., here in this life, raised up out of the life of sin into a new life. This takes place in our quickening or regeneration by the Holy Ghost and through our sanctification, not of ourselves, but “by His (Christ’s) power.” As the mortification of the old man (Ques. 43, I., 1) by the power of Christ’s death is the first part of our sanctification, so the quickening of the new man, the new life in us, by the power of His resurrection, constitutes the second part. Rom. 6:4, 6, Col. 2:12, 13, 2 Cor. 5:17, Phil. 3:9–14.
Otto Thelemann, An Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism (trans. M. Peters; Reading, PA: James I. Good, D. D, Publisher, 1896), 175.
regeneration: A secret act of God in which he imparts new spiritual life to us; sometimes called “being born again.” (34)
Wayne A. Grudem, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine (Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, MI: Inter-Varsity Press; Zondervan Pub. House, 2004), 1253.
civic
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It’s nice when you can use their own expert theologians as a hostile witness against their position. Well done
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Pancho Frijoles
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I'd like to share two reflections:
1. The fact that God works through all kind of means to persuade and renew the soul of a person (acts of love, movies, music, art, moments of sorrow) does not mean that God is not the one operating the quickening.
Who thinks that God was not the one putting food on our table? Who in the Forum does not thank God for the daily bread? Yet, God made that bread come to our table through million of human agents, and also physical rules embedded in the universe. Same with the spiritual bread. Millions have worked under the direction of God to persuade other millions.
2. What is the difference between chimpanzees and men in regard to the "principle of spiritual life imparted to the soul", controlling "all its mental and moral energies"? Men were created in certain way by God, to be ABLE to respond to such pouring of grace and exert their free will in way that chimpanzees were not.
What Calvin missed in reflecting on the nature of men, is that God created men noble, in His image. So it is inherent to men to be susceptible to God's grace and accept it or reject it (within human limits of course. Only God has absolute free will). Calvin was wrong regarding "total depravity", because human nature is not outside God's influence and reach. As Paul told the Pagan Athenians, "in God we live, move and have our existence".
He who rejects man's inherent nobility, focusing ONLY in his tendency to commit sin, is not understanding God's purpose in creating men, and his love and interest for men, and why men are called to see God as their father, while chimpanzees are not.
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The Issue was regeneration, it is solely a work of the Spirit
Yep, Even Calvinist witnesses argue against his claims.It’s nice when you can use their own expert theologians as a hostile witness against their position. Well done
civic
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Who know his doctrines much better than he does
Pancho Frijoles
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Yes, absolutely.
No man could regenerate himself… and no man could regenerate another man. Society could not regenerate a man,
It is solely a work of the Spirit.
Pancho Frijoles
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I can show it to you in your own reality.Nope show me in the Bible
Have you been regenerated, civic? If so, why some aspects of your behavior are still those of the old man?
Can you say you have been transformed entirely… or is it that you are still in that process?
Now, if we go to the Bible… when was Peter regenerated? Can we point to a more or less exact moment?
Let’s look at the dozens of strong advice and warnings that the apostles gave to the brethren. If they had already been born again, why would the apostles had to speak as if parts of the old man, salve of the flesh, were still present within the lives of the Christians?
Then we agree on that.
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