Prove it
Show one verse of theirs which actually states man is saved and then believes
The Calvinists engage in your religious tradition of using a few cherry-picked scriptures to promote a specific religious philosophy. You called this popular religious tradition that you and they engage in, setting up a "Demarcation point".
The Scriptures they use, can appear to support their philosophy when examined by themselves, apart from other God Inspired Words, just as the Serpent's claim "
Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" can also appear truthful, if a man doesn't consider "Every" recorded Word that God spoke to them. Just as your religious philosophy that just "hearing" Jesus words, means you have passed from death to life can appear truthful, if a person doesn't consider ALL of the Christ's Words regarding "Life". I pointed this undeniable truth out to you, posted the Christ's Words which more define more clearly what HE means when HE says "
He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, and you completely ignored them all. Along with the Questions I asked about the Verse you quoted, and I addressed. (Jn. 5:24)
I completely agreed with you concerning this practice used by the Calvinists, as I said to you but again you completely ignored what I said, that the cherry-picked verses the Calvinist's use as their "Demarcation Point" to promote their Holy Lottery and their "TULIP" philosophy,
do not support their philosophy, when more of God's Inspired Words are considered.
And yet here you are here telling me to "Prove that they do", as if I believe or even implied that the Scriptures they use, did promote their "Tulip" philosophy. It is clear that you are either mentally incapable of intellectually honest discourse, or you don't actually read what I post. Perhaps a combination of both.
Nevertheless, I don't believe the interpretation of Scriptures the Calvinist's "USE" to justify and promote their religious philosophy, because when more of God's Inspired Word is considered, their interpretation falls apart.
And I don't believe the interpretation of the Scriptures you "USE" to justify your religious philosophy, because when more of the Christ's words concerning Life are examined, your interpretations fall apart.
I posted multiple verses which spoke of the change upon faith which you did not address but ran elsewhere and used your interpretation of those verses to deny the verses you never dealt with directly
To begin with, you posted One verse to "prove" that you are already made immortal, already Saved. One verse!
John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word
and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Calvinists, Methodists, JW's, Mormons, Catholics, non-denominational, in fact, most every religious sect or 501c3 of this entire world's religious system, who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, "USE" this verse, and a few others to justify themselves. (UM, Hello, it's Scripture) But I understand that many of these religious sects, "Who call Jesus Lord, Lord, really don't hear Jesus' Words, and they really don't Believe in the God who sent them, based on their Deeds/words. Jesus and Paul knew this as well and spoke many Words of warning specifically concerning men who "honor God with their Lips" or "call Jesus Lord, Lord", or men who would "Transform themselves into apostles of Christ", or "Come in Christ's Name" or who "Profess to know God". I am told over and over and over to "Take Heed" of such men. To "Beware" of their philosophies and Traditions. I shared some of the Scriptures that more clearly defined Jesus' instruction concerning passing from death to Life, as well as the dangers of being convinced by men who profess to know God, who say, as Jeremiah warned,
"The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you".
And I warned you as I am instructed to do in God's Love.
"It is a dangerous thing for a person to be convinced he or she is already immortal, like Eve was."
And went about posting Scriptures which more clearly defined what it means to "Hear Him" and to "Believe on the One who sent Him", and the pitfalls of trust the "Many" who call Him Lord, Lord..
But you didn't address a SINGE ONE of the Holy Scriptures I posted,
I asked you "What does it mean to believe on the One who sent Him?" But you refused to answer. I asked again, "Are you saying that I can "hear" and then ignore or reject "Some" of the Christ's Words, and still pass from death unto life?"
But you didn't even show the most common of courtesies of answering or addressing even ONE Question or ONE scripture. Instead, just like the Calvinists, you post your "Demarcation Point" as if they make void every other Word that Jesus Spoke.
And now, to save face, to justify your every word and DEED, to exalt yourself over me, you preach the out and out lie that I never addressed even one of the Scriptures you posted.
It is this kind of hubris, self-exaltation, dishonesty and glaring hypocrisy that is taught by this world's religious system, and common among the "MANY" who "Call Jesus Lord, Lord", Who "come in His Name" but don't hear Him, that has caused God's Name to be blasphemed around this world.
I don't want any part of it, and I plead with my brothers and sisters to "get out of her" and "Hearken to the Words of the Lord's Christ" AND "believe" on the God and Father of all, who sent Him.
Rev. 18:
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of "her fornication", (Her judgments, her high days, her images of God) and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, (Partook of Her judgments, Her high days, Her images of God ) and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of "her delicacies". (Her high days, her sabbaths, her judgments)
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, (Her Judgments, Her high days, Her images of God) and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Blindness, deception)
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Civic made a remarkable statement in a recent post that is probably one of the truest statements I have ever heard come out of his mouth.
"Been there and done that as a calvinst
where you read your doctrine into scripture. But when you are doing it , "its hard to see thats the case".
You think its biblical/scriptural.
The problem is most "do not see themselves reading their doctrine into scripture" which as we know is eisegesis.
This is a remarkable understanding, and undeniably true. I know several former Calvinists who left that specific religious sect and adopted the religious philosophies of the JW's. I know several former Catholics who left Catholicism to adopt Calvinism.
In each case, these men continued to "Read their adopted doctrine into Scripture", but they cannot see it, and they "Think it is Biblical/Scriptural". Now Civic, no doubt a wonderful man, probably even a great fisherman, and Dad, who used to read Calvinist doctrine into Scripture, now reads Berean doctrine into Scripture. But he can't see it, just as he couldn't when he had adopted a different religious sect of this world's religious system.
There is no difference Spiritually/Scripturally/Biblically between Catholicism, JW's, Berean, Baptist, Methodist, Calvinist, Mormonism, etc. They are all religious sects of this world's religious system; they all reject God's Judgments in favor of their own judgments. They all have rejected the Statutes of God and replaced them with their own man-made high days. They all advocate and participate in the promotion of images of God in the Likeness of men. "And many other such things they do". Neither Jesus, nor Paul nor anywhere in the entire bible, is such a religious system promoted.
This entire religious system is Babylon, and Civic has discovered one of the Plagues that those who partake of this system will be infected by. He just can't see the same infection in himself.
If you want to know the Sufferings of Christ that Paul endured, just walk away from Babylon, as Paul did, and "
yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God".
It is my sincere hope that someone, anyone who is reading along, might "Hearken to the Word's" of the Lord's Christ, and HEED the Warnings God gave us of a religious system of this world, who "
speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and "they say unto" every one ( No matter what religious sect they adopt) that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
And to believe "DO" as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs us; "
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God".
Only then will a man understand the Battle Paul speaks to, as HE presses towards the Prize of the high calling of God, which was in Christ Jesus.
