Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?
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The source and quality of this life are further clarified in Romans 8:11: “If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.” What God the Father did in raising Jesus from the dead-
Ro 8:11 (KJV) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
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*Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Ro 4:24-25 [24] But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; [25] Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Ac 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Ac 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Ac 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Eph 1:19-20 [19] And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, [20] Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
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*Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro 6:4-5 [4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Is 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Jn 5:28-29 [28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
1Co 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:20-22 [20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. [21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:51-57 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [56] The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [57] But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1Th 4:14-17 [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Re 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Re 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Re 20:11-13 [11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
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*2Co 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
Ro 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
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*Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Jn 7:38-39 [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Jn 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Ps 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
Jn 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Jn 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Jn 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Jn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Ac 4:2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
Ac 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Ro 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Ro 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Ro 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Ga 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Php 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
2Ti 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Joh_5:19, Joh_10:17-18, Joh_11:25; Mar_8:31; Act_2:24, Act_2:32, Act_3:15, Act_3:26; Rom_4:24, Rom_6:4; Rom_8:11; 1Co_15:3-4, 1Co_15:12; Col_2:12; 1Pe_3:18
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WHO RAISED JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD: ton egeiranta (AAPMSA) Iesoun ton kurion hemon ek nekron:
Raised (1453) (egeiro) was used literally to refer to arousing or awaking someone from sleep (Mt 8:25). Egeiro was used literally also to raise up or lift up a person either sitting or lying down. Figuratively egeiro was used to "raise up" a person from illness, thus restoring them to health. Figuratively as used here in Romans 4:24, egeiro is used to describe the bringing back of Jesus from the dead and thus raising Him or causing Him to rise. The idea of wake up from death conveyed by egeiro because sleep was used as metaphor of death for believers (there is however no "soul sleep"). Figuratively to rouse to a state of watchfulness or readiness (Eph 5:14).
Jesus (2424) (Iesous) is the Greek form of the Hebrew Jeshua (Yeshua) or Joshua, a proper name meaning "Yahweh saves" or "whose help is Jehovah".
Our Lord - Paul frequently acknowledges the Lordship of Jesus in the Letter to the Romans (Ro 1:4, 4:24, 5:1, 11, 21, 6:23, 7:25, 8:39, 15:6, 15:30, 16:18, 20, 24, etc).
Lord (2962) (kurios) is defined as he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has the power of deciding and thus over whom one is master and owner. The primary idea of kurios relates to possession of power and/or authority by the one so called. Is Jesus your Kurios?
TDNT has an excellent introductory note on kurios writing that "Historically the concept of lordship combines the two elements of power and authority. A true realization of the unity of the two arises only in encounter with God, Who creates us with absolute power but is also the absolute Authority before which it is freedom rather than bondage to bow. In the Biblical revelation the humanity that rejects subordination to its Creator meets the One Who with the authority of God's ministering and forgiving love woos its obedience and reconstructs and reestablishes the relations of lordship. (Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. Eerdmans)
From (1537) (ek) is a preposition which denotes exit or emission out of, as separation from, something with which there has been close connection, in this case from the dead.
Dead ( 3498) (nekros akin to Latin "neco, nex" from a root signifying "to disappear" - according to Thayer - see study of nekrosis) defines those who have breathed their last and thus who are deceased, lifeless and no longer physically alive.
Abraham’s faith rested upon God as the One who could bring life out of natural deadness. We also believe in Him who quickens the dead, but in this case His almighty power has been already put forth in the Resurrection of Christ (1Pe 1:21 Eph 1:19, 20), the resurrection making our justification before God possible, for the Resurrection proved the efficacy of Christ’s death and demonstrates that Jesus, the living One, can make us right with God.
The Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of the gospel as Paul declared to the Corinthians...
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to (paradidomi - see Ro 4:25) you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; and last of all, as it were to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. (1Corinthians 15:1-8)
The truth of the resurrection is absolutely essential to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Without the resurrection, there is no "good news" for all men who are born (spiritually) dead in their trespasses and sins because of their birth into the lineage of Adam (see note Romans 5:12). In light of the importance of the resurrection, Paul emphasized...
But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, Whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. (1Corinthians 15:13-22)
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101G
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thanks, but is not the Spirit of Christ the same Spirit of God? scripture, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
is this the same one Spirit? yes or no.
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Johann
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101G
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no, BIBLE, for the Spirit that raised up the body, is the Lord Jesus HIMSELF. READ John 2 and the entire bible.
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Johann
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I do-just showed you Scriptures but I know you don't believe in the Triune Godhead-
In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead.” So that’s the basic answer. God resurrected Jesus. As we read more Scripture, that basic answer becomes more nuanced.
The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
It may seem puzzling how Jesus could be said to raise Himself. How can a dead man have any say in his own resurrection? The answer is that Jesus was more than a man who died; He was the eternal Son of God incarnate. Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17–18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and to raise it up again.
Furthermore, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; He has absolute authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death.
Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1–2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
Shalom brother-
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thanks, but did not Peter KNEW WHAT the Lord Jesus said in John 2... Listen, John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."
well now if Peter and the rest of the disciples BELIEVED what the Lord Jesus said about raising his own body up. then did they LIED when Peter said, God raise Jesus from the dead? NOTICE verse 22 of John chapter 2. "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said." if they remembered, why LIE? ...... and the ONLY alternative then JESUS is the ONE WHO RAISED UP HIS OWN BODY, else the apostle Peter LIED.
now which one is it. WHO LIED THEN?
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Johann
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I believe I have answered @101G
Did God the Father raise God the Son, or did Jesus raise Himself from the dead?
I think your question relates to the Trinity. Who created the heavens and the earth? According to Genesis 1, we could say God the Father, but notice that the Spirit of God is also involved (Genesis 1:2). Then there is Proverbs chapter 8, verses 22-31, where “Wisdom” was associated with the Father in Creation. Is “Wisdom” here the Son of God? If not, John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 make it clear that the Lord Jesus was the Creator.
If we were to ask, “Who is it that saves men?” Would our answer not be the same? God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit are all involved. When it comes to the resurrection of our Lord, then, we have a pretty good idea what the answer must be:
God the Father raised Jesus (Acts 2:24, 32; 3:15, 26; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:30, 33, 34, 37).
God raised Him up again (Rom. 4:24; 6:4 [through the glory of the Father]); 10:9; 1 Cor. 6:14; Gal. 1:1; Col. 2:12).
The Holy Spirit is somehow involved in the resurrection of Jesus:
Romans 8:11 “But if the Spirit of Him who raised…”
Romans 1:4 “who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,…”
The Son Himself lays down His life and takes it up again — John 10:17-18
It seems as though the answer is that all of the Trinity is involved in the Resurrection.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
Father
Ephesians 1:20
which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms,
Jesus
John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 “This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?” 21 But He was speaking concerning the temple of His body.
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Romans 8:11
And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
We rejoice in Christ’s resurrection and the life we have in Him. However, it is troubling to find that there are teachings out there that say that all you need to believe to be saved is that Christ died for your sins. Some say that faith in Christ’s resurrection isn’t necessary to be saved because our salvation is based solely on Christ’s payment for our sins at the Cross, and they’ll intentionally leave out the Resurrection. However, this is not Pauline. The gospel of the grace of God includes the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul stresses in his letters the importance of believing that Christ is risen from the dead. Note the following verses:
“And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness…But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead” (Rom. 4:22,24).
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Rom. 10:9).
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3,4).
“And that He died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again” (2 Cor. 5:15).
“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him” (1 Thes. 4:14).
Unbelievers must trust that Christ is risen in order to be saved, so believers need to stress Christ’s death and resurrection when they share the gospel of grace. When Paul writes about our spiritual baptism with Christ, we are not only identified with His death, but also His burial and resurrection (Rom. 6:3,4). According to Colossians 2:10, we “are complete in Him,” because we have been identified with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection (Col. 2:11,12) the moment we believed in His death, burial, and resurrection.
Christ died for our sins and… He rose again the third day. Don’t leave out the resurrection! It’s crucial to our faith and salvation. We have God’s Word on it. As Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 15:17, “If Christ be not raised, your faith is vain [empty]; ye are yet in your sins.” But because “Christ is risen from the dead,” those “in Christ shall all be made alive” (1 Cor. 15:20,22). That should cause us to want to shout for joy!
“Jesus our Lord…was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification” (Rom. 4:24,25).
Shalom brother.
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Agent "J". ............ it is the LORD/Lord Jesus in EVERYTHING. from Genesis to Revelation. there is no second person, nor a third person..... only ONE PERSON, equally Shared in an ECHAD of HIMSEL, in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK".
be blessed my brother,
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Johann
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Shalom to you and family.
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civic
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By default a UNI means one hence they would no longer be a unitarian but a binatarian.
hope this helps !!!
Aeliana
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Was Jesus just a great man, an amazing teacher, and a great prophet? Can He be found outside of biblical literature and confirmed in books of history?
Who was Jesus?
Who was Jesus? - Was Jesus a historical person? What proof is there? What did He claim about Himself? Study the proof here.
www.allaboutjesuschrist.org
101G
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Jesus the Christ was Human, (that flesh bone and blood was), but Jesus, (the spirit), in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') State as the ECHAD of God himself was Not. there is a difference between the Son of God, and the Son of Man. (Just see John 3:13 for a very good example).
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Doug Brents
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Absolutely. Prov 6:16-19 says there are 7 things (sins) that God hates and are abominable to Him. Zech 8:17 says false oaths and devising evil against your brother. Col 3:5-6 says that the wrath of God is coming because of sins. And there are many more. God hates sin, and will not allow sin to remain in His presence. But these verses also points to the fact that God loves the sinner. He loves the person because that person can, through Christ, come to repentance and become a child of God.
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The Son of God and the Son of Man were one and the same. Jesus the Christ was both God and man at the same time, in the same place. He was both God and man (Phil 2:6, John 1:1 & 14, Col 2:9, John 10:30, and others).
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Thanks for the reply, First ERROR of the Day. if the Son of Man and the Son of God was the same, then please tell us how the Son of Man was in Heaven at the same time he was on earth, but the Son of God was not in heaven and never can be, with blood. who can only exist on earth, supportive scripture, John 3:13.
while on earth in, in, in, ... IN flesh bone and blood, (the Son of God), he Jesus the Lord, (son of man), talking to the Pharisees, the man named Nicodemus, he, Jesus, (the Son of Man) was in HEAVEN at the same time. again, Read John 3:13. let's explain how he was on earth in flesh, (son of God), but at the same time in heaven, spirit, (the son of man).
please understand the son of God is "BORN" flesh bone and Blood, supportive scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." So, the Son of God is Born, (flesh, bone, and Blood).
Now, the Son of Man, Listen carefully. John 3:31 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all." NOW LET'S MAKE THIS PLAIN. John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." if he is NOT of this world, then he's not HUMAN......
so, what's of this world about the Lord Jesus? again Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." the flesh, bone and blood that he came in, (a Human body), is OF, OF, OF, this world. now, what was in, in, in, that flesh and blood is not of this world, (spirit). just as Isaiah 9:6a states, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given" a child, (flesh bone and Blood), is BORN, but the Son, (spirit), is Given. ........and what was in that Flesh, is Identified by that flesh...... "the Son of Man". God's OWN IMAGE, MAN. or as Hebrews 1:3 states, "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person". other words in lay-man term. GOD MANIFESTED IN FLESH. now my question is this, "is God a human Man?", not... HUMAN, NOT GOD HIMSELF, only in, in, in, his IMAGE that he took on, flesh, bone, and blood is HUMAN.
understand, God is not a Human Man. Not with flesh and blood, why? where do you and I get our flesh and blood from? answer, from our mothers and fathers, who are humans. well do God has a mother or father? thank you. so let's again explain......
Definition time, partake vs took part. scripture, Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" did one see it? he "TOOK PART" in flesh and blood and was not a "PARTAKER" in flesh and blood. meaning he put on flesh and blood. meaning he was MADE IN "LIKENESS" of a "HUMAN" man. supportive scripture, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" and the term "Likeness" means, #1. the fact or quality of being alike; resemblance. #2. the semblance, guise, or outward appearance of. there is the answer. so in appearance, (the outward man, son of God), he was a human man, this is his vesture that was dipped in blood, (his sacrifice on the cross). but in substance, (the Inward, son of man), he is the "TRUE MAN" to come in glorification. please READ 2 Corinthians 4:16 carefully, "For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day." yes, the OUTWARD man is not YOU, the spirit. the OUTWARD man is only the House, tabernacle, or the body that the INWARD man dwells, ........ here on EARTH, (hence the reason why in John 3:13 the son of God was not in heaven while talking to Nicodemus, but the Son of Man was in both heaven and earth.
remember people we're all an IMAGE, NOT THE REAL or TRUE MAN, only an IMAGE of the TRUE MAN while we're in these fleshly bodies. only a IMAGE, a Hologram of the TRUE MAN. and science of the world is just now finding this out. How sad. God has been told us from the start, that this is a CREATED world....... hello. and we live in a CREATIVE EXISTANCE, (it's not for ever and ever.) ... until he makes it so. so man, us human are not REAL, but only an IMAGE, scripture, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
man oh man, if people can just wrap their heads around the first part of that verse.
101G.
Doug Brents
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WRONG!!! Just because the Spirit in Jesus is not of this world, does not mean that Jesus was not human. Jesus was completely Human. He was born human as a baby born of any woman. He "kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and people." He grew physically, intellectually, and in relational skills as well. But He was also the intellect (the Logos) of God made into flesh (human form). Jesus was both God and man at the same time.
101G
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so God CHANGED? ERROR, listen and Learn, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" STOP, being here is "PRESENT TENSE", my God, and form is NATURE, which is
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
and that nature is "Spirit", per John 4:24a. so the Lord Jesus being in the Form of God....... (NOT HUMAN), he took on Flesh and Blood. per, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" How Hard is it?
so you can reset and try again.
101G
Jesus is nerve BORN, but is Given. READ PLEASE. the only thing that was BORN was Flesh bone and BLOOD. which is not the Lord Jesus, but the temple he dwelt in while here on EARTH. understand ..... God is not Born, I cannot believe this, the Spirit born, My Lord.
101G.
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