Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

[Doug Brents]

so God CHANGED? ERROR, listen and Learn, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" STOP, being here is "PRESENT TENSE", my God, and form is NATURE, which is
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
and that nature is "Spirit", per John 4:24a. so the Lord Jesus being in the Form of God....... (NOT HUMAN), he took on Flesh and Blood. per, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" How Hard is it?

so you can reset and try again.

Yes, the Spirit Jesus took on flesh and became a man. He was both God (Spirit) and Man (physical Human) at the same time. What are you arguing for?

Jesus is nerve BORN, but is Given. READ PLEASE. the only thing that was BORN was Flesh bone and BLOOD. which is not the Lord Jesus, but the temple he dwelt in while here on EARTH. understand ..... God is not Born, I cannot believe this, the Spirit born,

Yes, Jesus was born as a baby from His mother, Mary, and placed in a manger in Bethlehem. No, that was not the origin of His Spirit, but birth does not indicate origin. The spirit of a natural human child originates at conception, not birth. So the fact that Jesus was born has no impact on His divinity.

My Lord.

Your blasphemy is offensive, and has no place in this forum. Please refrain from the expletives and blasphemous use of reference to my LORD, or I will have to ask that you be banned from this forum.

 

[101G]

Yes, the Spirit Jesus took on flesh and became a man.

STOP, the Spirit JESUS? which one? the First or the Last...... 101G just want you to get the ECHAD right. and was MADE a man in his OWN "LIKENESS".

What are you arguing for?

101G is not arguing, I just asked if he was a HUMAN/Physical Man, totally as U speak of, then who was his earthly father and mother who conceived him.... that's all 101G ask. is that too much?

Yes, Jesus was born as a baby from His mother, Mary

Second ERROR of the day, God is not Born. Christ is Born, but not God. YOU EVEN said, "Yes, the Spirit Jesus took on flesh ". well if the Spirit is already in existence how can you make what already exist, be born? has said, who is his human father and mother? book chapter and verse please.

also.... his, JESUS the Lord Mother? nonsense, Mary was only the surrogate mother to that FLESH. did you not understand? listen and Learn..... John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

the only thing Mary birth is Flesh, Bone, and Blood, (a body), no woman can birth a spirit. if you believe that, then give book chapter and verse please. and 101G will give you book chapter and verse to the truth.

but birth does not indicate origin. The spirit of a natural human child originates at conception, not birth. So the fact that Jesus was born has no impact on His divinity.

LOL, LOL, LOL, birth do indicate origin, why do you have a birthdate? to show your origin. just as one spiritual birth. so that want fly.
then you said, "The spirit of a natural human child originates at conception", another ERROR on your Part. if so why then are some babies still born..... (meaning no spirit). just as king David and his ill-legit wife Bathsheba found out when they tried to have their first child. spirits are given by God, neither at conception, but at birth. and it is God who determines who get a spirit or not. all spirits are of God, who ..... "GIVES" us a spirit. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"
no breath or no spirit, no LIFE.
now understand if U can, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

do you understand the difference between "BORN", and "GIVEN" now?...... (smile)..... Oh dear.

Your blasphemy is offensive,

as the Holy Spirit said by his apostle Paul, 2 Corinthians 11:6 "But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things." .... (smile).

101G.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Is Jesus the Christ a human person?

Absolutely. The CLUE would be that Jesus AS A MAN was subject to TEMPTATION - the mechanism of which is given in James 1. However in the present, he is apparently a GLORIFIED HUMAN - i.e. that which we will become, since we will be "Like Him".

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Thanks for your reply. Yours is the answer (about 90 percent of the time) I’ve received when I’ve asked trinitarians this question.

Perhaps @civic will explain to you why this isn’t possible in trinitarian theology.

The word "theology" is the key. "Theology, and the reasoning behind it can "Prove" (to academic satisfaction) that GOOD = EVIL, and Black = WHite.

So much for 'theology". Jesus promised that the Holy SPirit would lead into truth, and that WISDOM would be given LIBERALLY to whomever asked for it "Single Mindedly". That's always been good enough for me!!!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Wisdom is a by-product of the Hebrew Covenants.
And Wisdom is Christ Personified.

 

[D Koberstein]

“I asked that question of so many of my friends recently, and almost all, save for only one, gave me the wrong answer. Some even became indignant for my even asking the question. Why they became indignant, I have no clue. Nevertheless it is an important question about the person of Jesus the Christ.

1. Is Jesus the Christ a human person?
2. Is Jesus the Christ a Divine person?
3. Is He both?
4. Is He neither?

What answer do you have for each of those four simple questions? … “

(Bob Stanley, “Is Jesus the Christ a Human Person? Think before you answer that question.”)

Is Jesus Christ a human person?

He has been called a rabbi, a reformer, a religious teacher, a reprobate sinner, a revolutionary, a redeemer. Some have claimed he
was a magician, others the Messiah. some say he was a deceiver; others say he was divine. Who is this Jesus-Yeshua, and why are
we still talking about him two thousand years later?

Recently, a prominent Orthodox Jewish rabbi presented a new version of Jesus, a "kosher Jesus" that Jews can accept. By claiming Yeshua
as a fellow Jew and rabbi, he has taken a very major and truly wonderful step in the right direction, but by re-creating Jesus, he has
also robbed him of his uniqueness.
Shalom

The Real Kosher Jesus
by Michael L. Brown

 

[MTMattie]

“I asked that question of so many of my friends recently, and almost all, save for only one, gave me the wrong answer. Some even became indignant for my even asking the question. Why they became indignant, I have no clue. Nevertheless it is an important question about the person of Jesus the Christ.

1. Is Jesus the Christ a human person?
2. Is Jesus the Christ a Divine person?
3. Is He both?
4. Is He neither?

What answer do you have for each of those four simple questions? … “

(Bob Stanley, “Is Jesus the Christ a Human Person? Think before you answer that question.”)

Is Jesus Christ a human person?

I say both.

It falls under the Hypostatic Union.

 

[Dizerner]

ONE person, both human and divine.

 

[TheLayman]

My goal in this thread is to reach “trinitarians” who believe Jesus is a human person and people who are contemplating becoming trinitarian.

I still don't have a lot of time for discussion boards these days (though I love to read them as it gives me at least a glimpse of what some think and the questions they have). But when I do participate in talking about theology proper or the incarnation I too am trying to educate people as to what the Historic Christian Faith believed and teaches on these subjects. Evangelicals have, at least for them, shattered the foundational teachings of the Historic Christian Faith (i.e. theology proper and the incarnation). Some do this out of ignorance, others seek to create a neo-orthodoxy (sometimes an orthodoxy of one).

In order to be or to become a trinitarian, a person has to reject the idea that Jesus is a human person.

That's true, people used to be aghast years ago at CARM when I would tell them this...they thought I was the heretic denying that Jesus was divine and human. As is so often the case on any social media, including Christian discussion forums, people are quick to speak and slow to listen, and even slower to understand what is being said before they disagree.

That said, when speaking in theological terms it is true, as I said, that Jesus was a divine person with a human nature not a human person. Now if you understand what is meant in theology you understand what I'm saying (at least enough that I would be able to clarify if you understand theology). On the other hand, if you are coming from the position that if a person has a human nature (i.e. a person is human in every way) then they are a human person...then in that sense Jesus is indeed a human person. This is why the average person is to quick to misunderstand and also why theology became as precise in its meaning as it did. But on most discussion boards even people who claim to be orthodox believers in the Trinity and Chalcedonian Christology will begin to argue before they seek to understand.

“You“ want to be a trinitarian? Then “you” have to know and believe what trinitarianism requires “you” to believe.

And this statement is why I chose this particular post to respond to...you could not be more correct. I do not participate at CARM though I do read the "Trinity" board often and I am aghast. I remember a few years ago I thought I would wade in and try to gently correct some people who were claiming to be Trinitarian and I was attacked. Now in each an every case they ended up saying they did not care what the creeds said or what the early church said...but they still claimed to be Trinitarian? When asked how they were Trinitarian when they did not meet the definition of being a Trinitarian I could not get a straight answer but it generally boiled down to "nobody agrees on everything." I keep responding with "the doctrine of the Trinity is objective, not subjective...you can believe what you want but by definition you are not a Trinitarian (and they usually did not have an orthodox Christology either).

My point is that it would be helpful if people understood that just as an apple, orange, Catholic, and Baptist have objective definitions, so does the Trinity. So it simply doesn't make sense to call yourself a Trinitarian if you don't believe the "Doctrine of the Trinity." I would add if you do not hold to a Chalcedonian Christology you are going to hold to both a Christology and theology that is at odds with the Historic Christian Faith. I say that because there is no Christology other than Chalcedon that is compatible with the Doctrine of the Trinity.

TheLayman

 

[civic]

“Trinitarian theology doesn’t mean spit.” - a trinitarian?

Maybe. If so, a trinitarian in name only.

You have the opportunity to help educate someone on why trinitarianism teaches that Jesus is not a human person in THIS thread and you‘ve thrown it away.

He won’t listen to me. He might listen to you.

It’s essential to one’s salvation sorry you reject the True God and worship a false god and christ

 

[civic]

I still don't have a lot of time for discussion boards these days (though I love to read them as it gives me at least a glimpse of what some think and the questions they have). But when I do participate in talking about theology proper or the incarnation I too am trying to educate people as to what the Historic Christian Faith believed and teaches on these subjects. Evangelicals have, at least for them, shattered the foundational teachings of the Historic Christian Faith (i.e. theology proper and the incarnation). Some do this out of ignorance, others seek to create a neo-orthodoxy (sometimes an orthodoxy of one).

That's true, people used to be aghast years ago at CARM when I would tell them this...they thought I was the heretic denying that Jesus was divine and human. As is so often the case on any social media, including Christian discussion forums, people are quick to speak and slow to listen, and even slower to understand what is being said before they disagree.

That said, when speaking in theological terms it is true, as I said, that Jesus was a divine person with a human nature not a human person. Now if you understand what is meant in theology you understand what I'm saying (at least enough that I would be able to clarify if you understand theology). On the other hand, if you are coming from the position that if a person has a human nature (i.e. a person is human in every way) then they are a human person...then in that sense Jesus is indeed a human person. This is why the average person is to quick to misunderstand and also why theology became as precise in its meaning as it did. But on most discussion boards even people who claim to be orthodox believers in the Trinity and Chalcedonian Christology will begin to argue before they seek to understand.

And this statement is why I chose this particular post to respond to...you could not be more correct. I do not participate at CARM though I do read the "Trinity" board often and I am aghast. I remember a few years ago I thought I would wade in and try to gently correct some people who were claiming to be Trinitarian and I was attacked. Now in each an every case they ended up saying they did not care what the creeds said or what the early church said...but they still claimed to be Trinitarian? When asked how they were Trinitarian when they did not meet the definition of being a Trinitarian I could not get a straight answer but it generally boiled down to "nobody agrees on everything." I keep responding with "the doctrine of the Trinity is objective, not subjective...you can believe what you want but by definition you are not a Trinitarian (and they usually did not have an orthodox Christology either).

My point is that it would be helpful if people understood that just as an apple, orange, Catholic, and Baptist have objective definitions, so does the Trinity. So it simply doesn't make sense to call yourself a Trinitarian if you don't believe the "Doctrine of the Trinity." I would add if you do not hold to a Chalcedonian Christology you are going to hold to both a Christology and theology that is at odds with the Historic Christian Faith. I say that because there is no Christology other than Chalcedon that is compatible with the Doctrine of the Trinity.

TheLayman

Amen !!!

 

[Johann]

It’s essential to one’s salvation sorry you reject the True God and worship a false god and christ

The third chapter of Exodus describes the encounter between Moses and God about the Lord’s name: “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, “I AM has sent me to you”’” (Exodus 3:13–14, NASB).

The phrase I am who I am in the Hebrew is YHWH, often translated as “LORD,” “Yahweh,” or “Jehovah,” and is referred to in theology as the tetragrammaton (“a word having four letters”). The literal translation of the term is “I be that I be,” a statement that makes reference to God’s self-existence—He is not dependent upon anything else for His existence.

One of the foundational Christian doctrines is that Jesus is God. He is the Jehovah/YHWH/Yahweh described in Exodus 3. This teaching can be difficult to grasp because the Bible also says there is only one God: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The Bible’s claim that only a single God exists is called monotheism. The doctrine of Jesus being God does not mean that more than one God exists (polytheism) or that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity equates to there being three gods (tritheism) or that there is one God who represents Himself as one person in three different ways or modes (modalism).

Instead, Christianity teaches that there is one God who exists in triune fashion as three Persons within one God, i.e., one “what” but three “who’s”; a plurality of Persons who are one in essence. Referencing the depth of this doctrine, A. W. Tozer writes, “Our sincerest effort to grasp the incomprehensible mystery of the Trinity must remain forever futile, and only by deepest reverence can it be saved from actual presumption. We cover our deep ignorance with words, but we are ashamed to wonder, we are afraid to whisper ‘mystery’” (The Knowledge of the Holy, p. 18).

The Bible affirms the Son of God’s place in the Godhead in both the Old and New Testaments. One passage affirming the Son’s deity in the Old Testament is Psalm 2: “The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, ‘Let us tear their fetters apart and cast away their cords from us!’ . . . Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, for His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!” (Psalm 2:1–3, 12, NASB).

In the New Testament, Jesus affirms His deity in many places. In His general teachings, He refers to Himself in the same way God is described in the Old Testament and does the same in twenty of His parables. Examples include the following:

God in the Old Testament
I AM (Exodus 3:14–15; Isaiah 48:12)
The Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
The Light (Psalm 27:1)
The Rock (Psalm 18:2)
Ruler of all (Isaiah 9:6)
Judge of all nations (Joel 3:12)
The Bridegroom (Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:16)
God’s Word never passes away (Isaiah 40:8)
The Sower (Jeremiah 31:27; Ezekiel 36:9)
First and the Last (Isaiah 48:12)

Jesus’ Reference to Himself
I AM (John 8:58)
The Shepherd (John 10:11)
The Light (John 8:12)
The Rock (Matthew 7:24)
Ruler of all (Matthew 28:18)
Judge of all (John 5:22)
The Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1)
Jesus’ words never pass away (Mark 13:31)
The Sower (Matthew 13:3–9)
First and the Last (Revelation 1:17–18)

Jesus said many things that equated Himself with Yahweh: “Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9) and “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). He asked God, “Glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” (John 17:5). He said, “My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I too am working” (John 5:17).

In addition, Jesus accepted worship nine times in the gospels, forgave sins, and commanded His disciples to pray in His name. Jesus never said—as other prophets did—“Thus says the Lord”; rather, Jesus said, “I say,” and commanded His disciples to baptize in His name.

The New Testament writers also refer to Jesus as God many times (e.g., Matthew 3:16–17; John 1:1–3,14; John 20:28; Romans 9:5; Philippians 2:5–8, 9–11; Colossians 1:16–19; 2:9–10; 1 Timothy 6:15; 2 Peter 1:1; Hebrews 1:8; 13:8; Revelation 1:8, 17; 2:8; 17:14; 19:16; 21:6; 22:13).

In conclusion, the teaching of Scripture is that Jesus is indeed Yahweh, the I AM, the God of the Old Testament.

Is Jesus Yahweh? Is Jesus Jehovah? | GotQuestions.org

Is Jesus Yahweh? Is Jesus Jehovah? How can Jesus be the Son of Yahweh and Yahweh at the same time?

www.gotquestions.org

J.

 

[civic]

The third chapter of Exodus describes the encounter between Moses and God about the Lord’s name: “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, “I AM has sent me to you”’” (Exodus 3:13–14, NASB).

The phrase I am who I am in the Hebrew is YHWH, often translated as “LORD,” “Yahweh,” or “Jehovah,” and is referred to in theology as the tetragrammaton (“a word having four letters”). The literal translation of the term is “I be that I be,” a statement that makes reference to God’s self-existence—He is not dependent upon anything else for His existence.

One of the foundational Christian doctrines is that Jesus is God. He is the Jehovah/YHWH/Yahweh described in Exodus 3. This teaching can be difficult to grasp because the Bible also says there is only one God: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The Bible’s claim that only a single God exists is called monotheism. The doctrine of Jesus being God does not mean that more than one God exists (polytheism) or that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity equates to there being three gods (tritheism) or that there is one God who represents Himself as one person in three different ways or modes (modalism).

Instead, Christianity teaches that there is one God who exists in triune fashion as three Persons within one God, i.e., one “what” but three “who’s”; a plurality of Persons who are one in essence. Referencing the depth of this doctrine, A. W. Tozer writes, “Our sincerest effort to grasp the incomprehensible mystery of the Trinity must remain forever futile, and only by deepest reverence can it be saved from actual presumption. We cover our deep ignorance with words, but we are ashamed to wonder, we are afraid to whisper ‘mystery’” (The Knowledge of the Holy, p. 18).

The Bible affirms the Son of God’s place in the Godhead in both the Old and New Testaments. One passage affirming the Son’s deity in the Old Testament is Psalm 2: “The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, ‘Let us tear their fetters apart and cast away their cords from us!’ . . . Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, for His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!” (Psalm 2:1–3, 12, NASB).

In the New Testament, Jesus affirms His deity in many places. In His general teachings, He refers to Himself in the same way God is described in the Old Testament and does the same in twenty of His parables. Examples include the following:

God in the Old Testament
I AM (Exodus 3:14–15; Isaiah 48:12)
The Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
The Light (Psalm 27:1)
The Rock (Psalm 18:2)
Ruler of all (Isaiah 9:6)
Judge of all nations (Joel 3:12)
The Bridegroom (Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:16)
God’s Word never passes away (Isaiah 40:8)
The Sower (Jeremiah 31:27; Ezekiel 36:9)
First and the Last (Isaiah 48:12)

Jesus’ Reference to Himself
I AM (John 8:58)
The Shepherd (John 10:11)
The Light (John 8:12)
The Rock (Matthew 7:24)
Ruler of all (Matthew 28:18)
Judge of all (John 5:22)
The Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1)
Jesus’ words never pass away (Mark 13:31)
The Sower (Matthew 13:3–9)
First and the Last (Revelation 1:17–18)

Jesus said many things that equated Himself with Yahweh: “Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9) and “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). He asked God, “Glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” (John 17:5). He said, “My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I too am working” (John 5:17).

In addition, Jesus accepted worship nine times in the gospels, forgave sins, and commanded His disciples to pray in His name. Jesus never said—as other prophets did—“Thus says the Lord”; rather, Jesus said, “I say,” and commanded His disciples to baptize in His name.

The New Testament writers also refer to Jesus as God many times (e.g., Matthew 3:16–17; John 1:1–3,14; John 20:28; Romans 9:5; Philippians 2:5–8, 9–11; Colossians 1:16–19; 2:9–10; 1 Timothy 6:15; 2 Peter 1:1; Hebrews 1:8; 13:8; Revelation 1:8, 17; 2:8; 17:14; 19:16; 21:6; 22:13).

In conclusion, the teaching of Scripture is that Jesus is indeed Yahweh, the I AM, the God of the Old Testament.

Is Jesus Yahweh? Is Jesus Jehovah? | GotQuestions.org

Is Jesus Yahweh? Is Jesus Jehovah? How can Jesus be the Son of Yahweh and Yahweh at the same time?

www.gotquestions.org

J.

Amen !!!

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

It’s essential to one’s salvation sorry you reject the True God and worship a false god and christ

Let all take heed , let all beware
for the time will only get more deceptive as more and more fall in love with fables that simply cannot save them .
A universal humaniterian image of god has been presented and its one that all religoins as well as the decieved within christendom
will see as God and as his love . Its a univeralist utopian society at work being led by the dark prince of this world .
TO the trenches civic and all . Its dire needful to exhort and contend for the true faith and all pure sound doctrine .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Amen !!!

The great I AM sent MOSES unto the peoples to lead them out of the bondage of Eygpt
And that MOSES foresaw the Great I AM that would send the Great I AM to lead the peoples
out of the bondage of sin and of death .
I AM actually sent I AM . AND HE was even before abraham was .
Many souls desire so badly to DENY THE LORD and to follow another image created in the image of man .
That god cannot save them and it has led them to REBELLION against the HOLY GOD of ISRAEL
and HIS COVENANT in CHRIST .
And the prophets cry to the peoples , GO UP to the table of intefaith all inclusivity for ye shall have peace n safety .
But it is not in the people to know or to understand , to discern
that the prophets have been sent a lying spirit , a delusion
to gather the decieved of christendom with the false religoins to attain what they so believe
will bring peace n safety .
But all it will bring is a great scattering on the DAY OF THE LORD as they tremble in fear
as they realize too little too late , THEIR VISION of peace n safety LED THEM ONLY TO THE DAY OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION
by the ALL MIGHTY ALPHA and OMEGA whom they REBELLED AGAINST and denied .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Amen !!!

The day of the LORD cometh
Times of great distress shall be upon this people
For they have made a covenant with death believing it was a covenant with a god of love .
But they could not discern that its love DENIES THE TRUTH of GOD
and has led them into rebellion . Till now even when the few who do come in the NAME of the LORD
with a bible in their hand is treated with disdain and as a hater .
And they love those who hate GOD and hate those who LOVE GOD . but they cannot disern this .
AWAY with the HOLY ONE of ISRAEL they have cried
Bring no more correction , bring no more his words , for it is hate speech and an offence .
And they clambor as troops upon troops unto the harlots house
who has made well her bed and perfumed herself .
THEY cry GOD is love but KNOW neither GOD or HIS LOVE
I tell us all that a massive amount of this generation , and i mean even christendom
would have RUN JESUS OUT THE DOORS , yelling hater , hater , you know neither love or GOD , you need our jesus .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

They cry peace , but their will be no peace to the wicked .

 

[Marvelloustime]

The day of the LORD cometh
Times of great distress shall be upon this people
For they have made a covenant with death believing it was a covenant with a god of love .
But they could not discern that its love DENIES THE TRUTH of GOD
and has led them into rebellion . Till now even when the few who do come in the NAME of the LORD
with a bible in their hand is treated with disdain and as a hater .
And they love those who hate GOD and hate those who LOVE GOD . but they cannot disern this .
AWAY with the HOLY ONE of ISRAEL they have cried
Bring no more correction , bring no more his words , for it is hate speech and an offence .
And they clambor as troops upon troops unto the harlots house
who has made well her bed and perfumed herself .
THEY cry GOD is love but KNOW neither GOD or HIS LOVE
I tell us all that a massive amount of this generation , and i mean even christendom
would have RUN JESUS OUT THE DOORS , yelling hater , hater , you know neither love or GOD , you need our jesus .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Marvelloustime]

The great I AM sent MOSES unto the peoples to lead them out of the bondage of Eygpt
And that MOSES foresaw the Great I AM that would send the Great I AM to lead the peoples
out of the bondage of sin and of death .
I AM actually sent I AM . AND HE was even before abraham was .
Many souls desire so badly to DENY THE LORD and to follow another image created in the image of man .
That god cannot save them and it has led them to REBELLION against the HOLY GOD of ISRAEL
and HIS COVENANT in CHRIST .
And the prophets cry to the peoples , GO UP to the table of intefaith all inclusivity for ye shall have peace n safety .
But it is not in the people to know or to understand , to discern
that the prophets have been sent a lying spirit , a delusion
to gather the decieved of christendom with the false religoins to attain what they so believe
will bring peace n safety .
But all it will bring is a great scattering on the DAY OF THE LORD as they tremble in fear
as they realize too little too late , THEIR VISION of peace n safety LED THEM ONLY TO THE DAY OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION
by the ALL MIGHTY ALPHA and OMEGA whom they REBELLED AGAINST and denied .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Johann]

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Neglecting context-as usual.

Isaiah 28:15 is a rebuke directed at the leaders of Judah, particularly in Jerusalem, who placed their trust in falsehood rather than in God. The verse is part of a broader passage (Isaiah 28:14–22) where the prophet condemns their arrogance, deception, and misplaced security.

Verse Breakdown:
"Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement"

This phrase signifies Judah’s political and spiritual rebellion, where they sought protection through alliances (possibly Egypt, Isaiah 30:1-3) rather than trusting in Yahweh.
The metaphor of a "covenant with death" indicates a false sense of security, believing they could escape divine judgment through human means.
"Hell" (שְׁאוֹל, Sheol) represents the realm of the dead, meaning they aligned themselves with destruction rather than with life in God.
"When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us"

The “overflowing scourge” represents impending judgment, possibly the Assyrian invasion (Isaiah 8:7–8).
The leaders falsely assumed that their political alliances or deceitful schemes would shield them from disaster.
"For we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves"

Their supposed security was built on deception—whether it was reliance on foreign powers, religious hypocrisy, or corrupt leadership.
The contrast between truth (God’s Word, Isaiah 28:16) and lies (human schemes) highlights their spiritual blindness.
Recipients and Historical Context:

Primary Audience: The rulers and leaders of Judah, particularly in Jerusalem, who rejected Isaiah’s warnings.

Historical Background: The late 8th century B.C., when the Assyrian Empire was expanding, threatening both Israel (Northern Kingdom) and Judah (Southern Kingdom).
Fulfillment: Judah’s trust in foreign alliances failed, leading to the Babylonian exile (586 B.C.), though a near-term judgment came through the Assyrian attack under Sennacherib (701 B.C.).
Messianic Contrast: Isaiah 28:16 follows with the prophecy of the "cornerstone," referring to Christ (1 Peter 2:6-8), the true refuge in contrast to their lies.

Cross-References:
+ Isaiah 30:1-3 – Judah’s false trust in Egypt instead of God.
+ Isaiah 8:7-8 – The Assyrian flood as divine judgment.
+ 1 Peter 2:6-8 – Christ as the true cornerstone and refuge.
+ Matthew 21:42-44 – Jesus contrasts Himself with the rejected stone.

J.