Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

synergy said:
Wow! You learn something new everyday in this forum website.
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Yes.

What i notice is that so many "christians" think water and works are Salvation.

There is no CROSS in their THEOLOGY, and THE CROSS is where our Salvation began and was finished by Jesus who said from THE CROSS..... "IT....IS...Finished".

Then He rose from the DEAD to prove He is Yeshua Messiah, the Savior, the Atonement, The Redemption.. The Redeemer... = the "Gift of God" given to this fallen world.

2 Corinthinans 5:19

John 3:17

So.....That's not water baptism and works, is it @synergy .....

= This is that "great falling away" from "The Gospel of the Grace of God" that happens just before the Trib starts.

We're there.

Look for Lebanon and Syria to strike Israel and then China and Russia will "come running" to help out.
 
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Matthias said:
The doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union have nothing to do with a person being saved. They are not the gospel. Believing those doctrines of men was never a requirement of Jesus and the apostles.

The Church went astray. How many people have suffered and died because of it?
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Then why all the posts about trins being your enemy if it’s not salvific?

That makes us your “ imaginary “ enemy.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.
 
Matthias said:
1. Is Jesus the Christ a human person?
2. Is Jesus the Christ a Divine person?
3. Is He both?
4. Is He neither?

What answer do you have for each of those four simple questions? … “
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1. Is Jesus the Christ a human person? Yes
2. Is Jesus the Christ a Divine person? Yes
3. Is He both? Yes
4. Is He neither? No

Jesus is Divine (God):
From the beginning of Time, Jesus is God.
During the time He was in the flesh, Jesus is God.
From His ascension into Heaven to eternity, Jesus is God.

Jesus is man:
When Jesus was in the flesh, Jesus was fully human and experienced every joy, sorrow, temptation, and every other aspect of humanhood that we do.

Jesus is both God and Man at the same time:
Because He is eternal, Jesus' entry into Time and His experience on Earth is also eternally part of Him, so He has always been, and always will be human.
 
civic said:
A person who believes your theology doesn’t mean spit isn’t a good candidate to go in search of your threads. :)
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What happened to this guy @Matthias ? It's been over 2 months since we heard from him. He tossed in almost 2 thousand comments in less than a month hoping to convince us of his version of Christianity. That attempt obviously crashed and burned.
 
Matthias said:
“I asked that question of so many of my friends recently, and almost all, save for only one, gave me the wrong answer. Some even became indignant for my even asking the question. Why they became indignant, I have no clue. Nevertheless it is an important question about the person of Jesus the Christ.

1. Is Jesus the Christ a human person?
2. Is Jesus the Christ a Divine person?
3. Is He both?
4. Is He neither?

What answer do you have for each of those four simple questions? … “

(Bob Stanley, “Is Jesus the Christ a Human Person? Think before you answer that question.”)

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Greek: Kai o logos sarx egeneto (3SAMI) kai eskenosen (3SAAI) en hemin, kai etheasametha (1PAMI) ten doxan autou, doxan os monogenous para patros, pleres charitos kai aletheias.

Amplified: And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth. [Isa. 40:5.].(Amplified Bible - Lockman)

ESV: And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

KJV: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

NLT: So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father. (NLT - Tyndale House)

Phillips: So the word of God became a human being and lived among us. We saw his splendour (the splendour as of a father's only son), full of grace and truth.

Wuest: And the Word, entering a new mode of existence, became flesh, and lived in a tent [His physical body] among us. And we gazed with attentive and careful regard and spiritual perception at His glory, a glory such as that of a uniquely-begotten Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (Eerdmans)

Young's Literal: And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

The Word: Jn 1:1 Isa 7:14 Mt 1:16,20-23 Lk 1:31-35 2:7,11 Ro 1:3,4 9:5 1Co 15:47 Gal 4:4 Php 2:6-8 1Ti 3:16 Heb 2:11,14-17 Heb 10:5 1Jn 4:2,3 2Jn 1:7
We: Jn 2:11 Jn 11:4, 40 Jn 12:40,41 Jn 14:9 Isa 40:5 53:2 60:1,2 Mt 17:1-5 2Co 4:4-6 Heb 1:3 1Pe 2:4-7 2Pe 1:17 1Jn 1:1,2
The only: Jn 1:18 Jn 3:16,18 Ps 2:7 Acts 13:33 Heb 1:5 Heb 5:5 1Jn 4:9
Full: Jn 1:16,17 Ps 45:2 2Co 12:9 Eph 3:8,18,19 Col 1:19 Col 2:3,9 1Ti 1:14-16
 
Matthias said:
“I asked that question of so many of my friends recently, and almost all, save for only one, gave me the wrong answer. Some even became indignant for my even asking the question. Why they became indignant, I have no clue. Nevertheless it is an important question about the person of Jesus the Christ.

1. Is Jesus the Christ a human person?
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Completely Human in every respect.
Matthias said:
2. Is Jesus the Christ a Divine person?
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Completely divine - the WORD made flesh.
Matthias said:
3. Is He both?
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Both indeed
Matthias said:
4. Is He neither?
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answered above.
 
synergy said:
Yours is a losing battle. From the OT Theophanies to John Chapter 1 to the Early Church Fathers, the Holy Trinity stands supreme throughout all the ages. And there is nothing you can do about it.
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Scripture destroys his arguments which is why his focus is on the creeds. Its why with most unitarians I say I'm a biblical trinitarian. :) scripture is our Authority and the creeds were not inspired and are secondary sources.
 
civic said:
Scripture destroys his arguments which is why his focus is on the creeds. Its why with most unitarians I say I'm a biblical trinitarian. :) scripture is our Authority and the creeds were not inspired and are secondary sources.
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Once Unitarians/Arians are shown how the Nicene Creed mirrors the Bible then they disappear into thin air.

In fact, the Nicene Creed was written mainly to slay Arianism, which is the basis of Unitarianism. That's why the Nicene Creed is anathema to Unitarians.
 
synergy said:
Once Unitarians/Arians are shown how the Nicene Creed mirrors the Bible then they disappear into thin air.

In fact, the Nicene Creed was written mainly to slay Arianism, which is the basis of Unitarianism. That's why the Nicene Creed is anathema to Unitarians.
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Exactly !
 
civic said:
No in Orthodox Trinitarianism person and nature are not the same. I can see you have not engaged in this argument before Wrangler. “Nature” (Gk: ousia; Latin: essentia, substantia), then, referred to what an object is. A divine nature is what God is in his one, undivided essence, which we describe in terms of God’s attributes. A human nature is what constitutes humanity, namely, a body-soul composite with corresponding capacities, such as a will, mind, and emotions. In Christ, there is one “person” (Gk: hypostasis; Latin: persona), the Son, who is the subject of two “natures” that subsists in both natures and acts through them. The “person” is the “acting subject”; natures are not. Yet, what is true of each nature is true of the one person (known as “communication of attributes”)

If you would like to be educated on the topic of nature and person I recommend this article here :

www.thegospelcoalition.org

The Incarnation and Two Natures of Christ

Incarnation is the supernatural act of the triune God, whereby the eternal, divine Son took into union with himself a complete human nature apart from sin.
www.thegospelcoalition.org www.thegospelcoalition.org
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Bump for the distinction between a person and nature
 
Johann said:

Love this.
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DEFINITION
God’s wrath, in perfect harmony with all of his divine attributes, is the holy action of retributive justice towards persons whose actions deserve eternal condemnation.

SUMMARY
Despite the disinterest of our secular age and many in the evangelical church, the wrath of God is a deeply biblical truth. It affirms God’s righteous displeasure with sin and his just retribution upon unrepentant sinners. Starting with a short history of this doctrine in America, this essay surveys the Old and New Testaments to think holistically about what Scripture says about God’s wrath. It concludes with a section that considers the importance of this doctrine for the sake of the gospel, theology proper, and Christian discipleship.
In our secular age, God’s wrath is a foreign and unwanted truth. Nevertheless, the wrath of God is a theme that runs through the Bible, one Christians must consider to know the God who is love, light, and life.

From Jonathan Edwards to Joel Osteen: The Elimination of God’s Wrath from the American Church
In the Great Awakening Jonathan Edwards famously preached a sermon entitled “Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God.” The passage is a vivid exposition of Deuteronomy 32:35, which reads, “Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly.” Focusing on the second line (“their foot shall slip in due time,” KJV), Edwards illustrates the perilous position of the lost. Those without Christ dangle over the flames of hell, like a spider over a flame.1 This kind of preaching ignited revival as it set salvation in the context of God’s holy wrath.2

By contrast, God’s wrath was eliminated from many (or most?) twentieth-century pulpits. Jonathan Edwards warnings against hell have been replaced by Dale Carnegie’s positive message of winning friends and influencing people. Speaking to churches and pastors devoid of God’s wrath, Richard Niebuhr famously described Protestant Liberalism’s gospel: “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a cross.”3

This indictment highlights what happens when God’s love is divorced from his holiness. Without a clear understanding of God’s hatred for sin, the character of God becomes misshapen and the universe bends towards human individuals—regardless of their character. Love becomes pure affirmation. God becomes a personal friend who assists us in all of life’s difficulties. Robert Schuller’s and Joel Osteen’s television ministries, as well as the panache of the seeker-sensitive movement, eschewed God’s wrath. Instead, they built ministries with the power of positive thinking, which only added to disinterest in this biblical doctrine.4

Enter the twenty-first century, and “expressive individualism” has made God’s love into absolute affirmation of the individual.

Even those with more traditional views of God are afflicted by a divine weightlessness that wafts through modern evangelicalism.5 As David Wells has observed, “In all Western cultures, . . . the love of God is welcomed and the holiness of God is given inhospitable treatment.”6 Accordingly, God’s wrath is not a divine attribute fondly received today. Nevertheless, the God of the Bible remains the same, as Nahum 1:2 declares,

The Lord is a jealous and avenging God;

the Lord is avenging and wrathful;

the Lord takes vengeance on his adversaries

and keeps wrath for his enemies.

Despite what is (not) preached from modern pulpits, the Bible is full of language describing God’s wrath.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

The Wrath of God - The Gospel Coalition

God’s wrath, in perfect harmony with his attributes, is the holy action of retributive justice towards persons whose actions deserve eternal condemnation.
www.thegospelcoalition.org www.thegospelcoalition.org

You agree @civic?
 

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