Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

[Fred]

You are fighting a battle here you will not and cannot win.

The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible: There may be reasons why the deity of Christ might be controverted, but such reasons cannot be drawn from any serious acceptance of Scripture (2:92, deity of Christ, A. H. Leitch).

A. W. Pink: Forever let us bless God that the Deity of our Lord is taught everywhere in the Scriptures, and stands on evidence that can never be overthrown. (John 20:28)
http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/awp/john-20.html

 

[civic]

The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible: There may be reasons why the deity of Christ might be controverted, but such reasons cannot be drawn from any serious acceptance of Scripture (2:92, deity of Christ, A. H. Leitch).

A. W. Pink: Forever let us bless God that the Deity of our Lord is taught everywhere in the Scriptures, and stands on evidence that can never be overthrown. (John 20:28)
http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/awp/john-20.html

Amen brother. The Deity of Christ is essential as the Great I Am. Unless you believe I Am said Jesus you will die in your sins. John 8:24. The monotheistic Jews a few verses later tried stoning Him for blasphemy for claiming to be God. John 8:58.

Its why ever N.T. writer refers to Him as God, Lord, YHWH, Savior etc...... Gods name and titles.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Johann]

You have caught on the the schemes and traps. Well done thou good and faithful servant.

I would rather hear those words from the lips of our Lord and great God , Jesus Christ brother.
Going through trying times at the moment.
And go easy on @Matthias @civic -for my sake, asking you as a brother in Christ.
J.

 

[Johann]

The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible: There may be reasons why the deity of Christ might be controverted, but such reasons cannot be drawn from any serious acceptance of Scripture (2:92, deity of Christ, A. H. Leitch).

A. W. Pink: Forever let us bless God that the Deity of our Lord is taught everywhere in the Scriptures, and stands on evidence that can never be overthrown. (John 20:28)
http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/awp/john-20.html

yeah well, I have Arthur Pink on my computer-but don't really read what he has to say-not meaning to be facetious here.
J.

 

[Matthias]

It is not for me to say who is lost and who is not brother-why are you pressing me?

I’m not pressing you, but I appreciate you letting me know that you feel like I am. I advised you to take your time.

I have told you 3x now I just woke UP-and now you are pitting me against others and I have said I don't want to get involved, yet.
J.

You’re in the middle between us. They’re fully persuaded that you are in their camp and they’re fighting to keep you in their camp. I’m persuaded that you‘re currently in their camp, too.

Since you feel that I‘m pressing you, here is what I will do.

I won’t address any more posts to you, unless or until you post a message to me. If that happens today, then I’ll post to you today. If it doesn’t happen until tomorrow, then I’ll post to you tomorrow. If it doesn’t happen until next week, then I’ll post to you next week. If it doesn’t ever happen, then I’ll never post to you again.

I’m not pressing you. I’m having a conversation with you. If you‘re feeling frustrated then take a break from me. Talk with others who aren’t causing you to feel frustrated. I can and will respect that.

I’ll speak with you again, whenever you want me to. Go in peace.

 

[civic]

I would rather hear those words from the lips of our Lord and great God , Jesus Christ brother.
Going through trying times at the moment.
And go easy on @Matthias @civic -for my sake, asking you as a brother in Christ.
J.

Faithful to Gods word as your authority. That is solid and immovable ground. That is what I meant. You stand on Christ our Solid Rock as our Foundation.

 

[Matthias]

You are fighting a battle here you will not and cannot win.

The battle has already been won by the Messiah, himself a Jew, not a trinitarian.

His God is the Father alone.

I’m just here as a witness.

 

[Johann]

I’m not pressing you, but I appreciate you letting me know that you feel like I am. I advised you to take your time.



You’re in the middle between us. They’re fully persuaded that you are in their camp and they’re fighting to keep you in their camp. I’m persuaded that you‘re currently in their camp, too.

Since you feel that I‘m pressing you, here is what I will do.

I won’t address any more posts to you, unless or until you post a message to me. If that happens today, then I’ll post to you today. If it doesn’t happen until tomorrow, then I’ll post to you tomorrow. If it doesn’t happen until next week, then I’ll post to you next week. If it doesn’t ever happen, then I’ll never post to you again.

I’m not pressing you. I’m having a conversation with you. If you‘re feeling frustrated then take a break from me. Talk with others who aren’t causing you to feel frustrated. I can and will respect that.

I’ll speak with you again, whenever you want me to. Go in peace.

Not frustrated at all brother-you don't "hear" what I am conveying to you.
J.

 

[Matthias]

Not frustrated at all brother-you don't "hear" what I am conveying to you.
J.

Then try it again at your convenience. I want to hear what you’re trying to convey to me.

 

[civic]

lol The Creator of all things has won the battle since His atonement and resurrection defeated death, sin and the devil.

Bible 101. Christus Victor

The King of kings, the Lord of lords, the God of gods.....................

 

[Matthias]

“Jesus the trinitarian” is fiction.

 

[civic]

Jesus who is not God is fiction...................

 

[Johann]

“Jesus the trinitarian” is fiction.

Power came back on just now and you two are still at it brother?

 

[Johann]

Then try it again at your convenience. I want to hear what you’re trying to convey to me.

To put it blunt-you don't hold Messiah is Elohim and you don't hold to the Triune Godhead-and isn't Orthodoxy almost the same as RCC and Judaism?

 

[Matthias]

Power came back on just now and you two are still at it brother?

Glad the power is back on.

I told you this morning what he would do. He’s a known quantity. I hope you won’t allow him (and the others) to distract you.

 

[civic]

projecting

 

[Matthias]

To put it blunt-you don't hold Messiah is Elohim and you don't hold to the Triune Godhead- …

Thanks.

I do hold that Messiah is elohim. I don’t hold to the Triune Godhead.

… and isn't Orthodoxy almost the same as RCC and Judaism?

Orthodox trinitarianism is the belief of the RCC but orthodox trinitarianism isn’t the belief of Judaism.

 

[Johann]

Thanks.

I do hold that Messiah is elohim. I don’t hold to the Triune Godhead.




Orthodox trinitarianism is the belief of the RCC but orthodox trinitarianism isn’t the belief of Judaism.

Thought so, thanks for the clarification-so where do you fit in?

 

[civic]

Thanks.

I do hold that Messiah is elohim. I don’t hold to the Triune Godhead.




Orthodox trinitarianism is the belief of the RCC but orthodox trinitarianism isn’t the belief of Judaism.

So is Messiah Elohim equal with YHWH as God ?

 

[Matthias]

Thought so, thanks for the clarification-so where do you fit in?

Thank you for asking.

I don’t fit in with orthodox trinitarianism. I did when I was a trinitarian.

I fit in with the unitary orthodoxy of Judaism and the earliest Christians; so-called “primitive Christianity”.