Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus isn’t a human person at all in orthodox trinitarianism.

Common tactic from Unitarians. How long have you been "sitting" on the "trap" you thought you had set?

You can’t know something completely if you do not believe it? That’s nonsense, on multiple levels.

Do you know Taylor Swift? You might know about her. I'm sure she would have a different opinion of what you think you know about her.

God is much the same way.... (No. I'm not saying Taylor Swift is God). I am saying you can't really know God without believing God. You can't know things about Him to the point of sharing in that knowledge without believing Him.

 

[Matthias]

Common tactic from Unitarians. How long have you been "sitting" on the "trap" you thought you had set?

I haven’t set any traps. I responded to the comment you made.

Do you know Taylor Swift? You might know about her. I'm sure she would have a different opinion of what you think you know about her.

God is much the same way.... (No. I'm not saying Taylor Swift is God). I am saying you can't really know God without believing God. You can't know things about Him to the point of sharing in that knowledge without believing Him.

I believe God. There was a time when I believed trinitarianism.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus is a Divine Person. Not solely a human person.

Remove “solely” from your comment and you’ll sound like a trinitarian.

 

[Johann]

What precisely do you mean when you ask me if I believe Jesus is a “mere person”?

I’ll answer your question when I understand what your definition of a “mere person” is.

Is Jesus a human person or a divine person?

The more orthodox Christians have seen his divinity as an inherent quality metaphysically bestowed. Jesus, they have told us, is the Pre existent Logos. He is the word made flesh. He is the second person of the trinity.

Advice-leave Orthodox Christianity or close this thread-YHVH is not the author of confusion.

I have already answered and not going to sit here, on this thread, with you engaging in circular reasoning-not edifying @Matthias.

Shalom Achi- שיהיה לך יום טוב
J.

 

[Matthias]

Is Jesus a human person or a divine person?

The more orthodox Christians have seen his divinity as an inherent quality metaphysically bestowed. Jesus, they have told us, is the Pre existent Logos. He is the word made flesh. He is the second person of the trinity.

Advice-leave Orthodox Christianity or close this thread-YHVH is not the author of confusion.

I have already answered and not going to sit here, on this thread, with you engaging in circular reasoning-not edifying @Matthias.

Shalom Achi- שיהיה לך יום טוב
J.

This thread is about orthodox Christianity’s teaching concerning the person of Jesus the Christ.

I can’t intelligently answer your question until I understand what your definition of a “mere person” is.

At no time will you ever find me teaching that Jesus is a “mere person”.

I believe Jesus is a human person and that he is divine.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Remove “solely” from your comment and you’ll sound like a trinitarian.

Not true. Anyone that has extensively debated the subject will say the same thing. We know what you're doing. We've had it done to us throughout our lives.

 

[Johann]

I can’t intelligently answer your question until I understand what your definition of a “mere person” is.

At no time will you ever find me teaching that Jesus is a “mere person”.

I believe Jesus is a human person and that he is divine.

But you don't believe in the Triune Godhead-right? Are you Binitarian?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I haven’t set any traps. I responded to the comment you made.

Your OP was an attempt to trap someone in their rhetoric.

I believe God. There was a time when I believed trinitarianism.

You belief was limited to what you were told. You must make it your own. I don't believe you did. Either way, you win. I'll give up trying to convince you didn't know it.

 

[Matthias]

But you don't believe in the Triune Godhead-right? Are you Binitarian?

I’m an ex-trinitarian. I’m a unitarian, not a binitarian.

 

[civic]

Common tactic from Unitarians. How long have you been "sitting" on the "trap" you thought you had set?



Do you know Taylor Swift? You might know about her. I'm sure she would have a different opinion of what you think you know about her.

God is much the same way.... (No. I'm not saying Taylor Swift is God). I am saying you can't really know God without believing God. You can't know things about Him to the point of sharing in that knowledge without believing Him.

I remember when milky ( milton ) use to use that argument and I would get him spinning like a top with anthropos lol. I would use the biblical arguments with him and off he went. It would get him everytime as I would always outsmart the fox. They would end up banning him all of the time.God used him to sharpen my sword well back then and it back fired on him big time.

 

[Matthias]

Your OP was an attempt to trap someone in their rhetoric.

No it wasn’t.

You belief was limited to what you were told. You must make it your own.

It was my own.

I don't believe you did.

Your belief about me is wrong.

Either way, you win. I'll give up trying to convince you didn't know it.

You couldn’t possibly convince me that I didn’t know what I - and a whole lot of other people - know that I did.

 

[Johann]

unitarian

Unitarianism is a form of Christianity that denies the doctrine of the Trinity. In 1961, the consolidation of the Unitarian and Universalist denominations brought together two distinct traditions to form a creedless movement that acts today as an umbrella organization for religious liberals all over the world.

Do you read Jewish/rabbinical sources?
Are you peiradzo-ing the readers?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I’m an ex-trinitarian. I’m a unitarian, not a binitarian.

One of the issue that you're not aware of involves the complexity of the peccability of Jesus Christ. It is where most Trinitarians end up "talking past one another". They are saying the same things but from different perspectives. Which is the paradoxical nature of the essence of Jesus Christ.

I'm more than willing to discuss this with you if you care to know.

 

[Johann]

One of the issue that you're not aware of involves the complexity of the peccability of Jesus Christ. It is where most Trinitarians end up "talking past one another". They are saying the same things but from different perspectives. Which is the paradoxical nature of the essence of Jesus Christ.

I'm more than willing to discuss this with you if you care to know.

That's why you will find I always say the Triune Godhead-godhead is mentioned 3x in Scripture and Triune is implied.
As for the rest I concur.
J.

 

[Matthias]

Unitarianism is a form of Christianity that denies the doctrine of the Trinity. In 1961, the consolidation of the Unitarian and Universalist denominations brought together two distinct traditions to form a creedless movement that acts today as an umbrella organization for religious liberals all over the world.

I was never a Unitarian Universalist and I’ve written often in opposition to the UUs. Unitarianism predates Unitarian Universalism by thousands of years.

Do you read Jewish/rabbinical sources?

You’ve already asked me that, and I’ve already told you that I do. I even commended you for bringing them to the attention of your readers. When you asked for my advice I told you that you were doing a good service and encouraged you to continue doing it.

Are you peiradzo-ing the readers?

That’s an interesting question. In one sense, yes. In another sense, no.

 

[Johann]

You’ve already asked me that, and I’ve already told you that I do. I even commended you for bringing them to the attention of your readers. When you asked for my I advise I told you that you were doing a good service and encouraged you to continue continue doing it.

Then why do you deviate from what the Sages wrote and most Christians don't even know?

That’s an interesting question. In one sense, yes. In another sense, no.

Thanks for your honesty-but don't resort to peiradzo-that is from the nahash/nachash-but rather dokimazo.

Shalom
J.

 

[Matthias]

One of the issue that you're not aware of involves the complexity of the peccability of Jesus Christ. It is where most Trinitarians end up "talking past one another". They are saying the same things but from different perspectives. Which is the paradoxical nature of the essence of Jesus Christ.

I'm more than willing to discuss this with you if you care to know.

Here’s something that I don’t know and would like to find out from you: you stated in this thread that you would define the acronym SHURF. Unless I missed it, you haven’t done so yet.

Please do. What does SHURF stand for, according to you?

 

[Wrangler]

How does your comments change anything I've said. Please explain in detail.

Jesus is not God no matter how you look at it. Detailed enough for you?

God is not a reflector of persons. So Jesus must be a common man anointed by God. Is Jesus the first fruits of the resurrection?

 

[Matthias]

Then why do you deviate from what the Sages wrote and most Christians don't even know?

They have some good (and not so good) and important things to say, but trinitarianism comes from the Church, not from the sages of Judaism.

Christianity, not Judaism, brought us the doctrine of the Trinity.

Thanks for your honesty…

There’s no need to thank me for my honesty. That‘s an essential part of my Christian character.

… but don't resort to peiradzo-that is from the nahash/nachash-but rather dokimazo.

Shalom
J.

I’ll take it under advisement.

It was a good question. I don’t recall anyone ever having asked me that before. Thanks.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

”Genuine Christians” willing to murder for any reason causes me to question the term “genuine”.

Do ya think????

They were Christians who, in their zeal for the Triune God, tormented, tortured, executed fellow Christians and non-Christians who didn’t believe the historical doctrine of the Trinity. That’s a simple matter of Church history.

Actually they were nothing but "Religious FOOLS" carrying out their "Theological terrorism".

Is it the doctrine that is the problem, or is it the zeal of those who held the doctrine that is the problem?

It's the utter SPIRITUAL STUPIDITY, and Biblical IGNORANCE of the murdering fools that was the problem. they were under satan's influence, and he was leading them around by the nose.

it was the leadership of the Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches who were at fault, not the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity.

BINGO!!!

There's ONLY ONE CHURCH of Jesus Christ, and it's NEVER BEEN a visible religio-political business / denomination. I'm a member in good standing of the "Assemblies of God" (so I have someplace to go and gather with other Christians) but it's NOT the "One church of Jesus Christ" - it's just another "Religious system". I can live with most of it's "Official doctrines".

The ONE CHURCH of Jesus Christ is that body of people, both physically living and physically dead, who have been BORN AGAIN of the Holy Spirit, and cleaned of their SIN.