John 8:58 is explicit text on who is God and that is Jesus. There is no denying that.
Is Jesus God?
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Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation---FACT-All creation occurred at the beginning, God has rested.
DavidTree
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God did say that is His Name = "This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation."
DavidTree
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God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.
Wrangler
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LOL. I see you still pretend extreme eisegesis is equal to explicit text supporting your anti-Scriptural doctrine.
No. Mark 1:1 is explict text on who Jesus is, which is not God. Ex 3:15 is explicit on who God is and what his only name is, not Jesus but YHWH.
Because there is no trinity verse, you are forced to read into John 8:58 more than it reads while simultaneously ignoring v 54 entirely.
- In v 54 Jesus says if he glorifies himself, the glory means nothing.
- Just a few verses later, you take what Jesus says as the highest form of glory possible.
Wrangler
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Again, "the LORD" is a substitute for the divine name, YHWH, in many bad translations.
There are dozens of lowercase "lords" in the Bible, including Jesus. The word "lord" is a title, like sir. Jesus' God is named YHWH.
You must think that you existed before Abraham did to take John 8:58 so lightly. Tell us about that. I'm all ears.
DavidTree
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Good Morning Wrangler,
His Name is Elohenu Abraham Elohenu Isaac Elohenu Jacob
This is the Name the LORD gave to us to know HIM by forever = this is the Name that LORD Jesus Christ gave to us.
The Apostles did what the Alexandrian Jews previously did in combining many of God's names into the name Kurios (Lord). As they say here in the South, if it's good enough for Paul then it's good enough for me.
DavidTree
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YES, but who combined these THREE? = His Name is Elohenu Abraham Elohenu Isaac Elohenu Jacob
(Exodus 3:15) (Brenton) And God said again to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the sons of Israel, The Lord God (Κύριος ὁ θεὸς) of our fathers, the God of Abraam, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name for ever, and my memorial to generations of generations.
Notice the "Lord God" (Κύριος ὁ θεὸς) portion of God's name.
The phrase Κύριος ὁ θεὸς is from the Alexandrian Septuagint (LXX) OT text, the same text that the Apostles overwhelmingly quoted from to formulate the NT.
DavidTree
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Well, this is completely understandable since the OT Lord God is the SAME as the NT Lord God = manifested in the flesh!!!
"The WORD that was God became flesh and dwelt among us!"
DavidTree
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101G
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GINOLJC, to ALL, thanks for the question, and 101G will answer it, LISTEN and LEARN.
Because it's the same Person, in the ECHAD. (Spirit), OT, without flesh, without bone and without blood, Rhema, God Spoken word, not Manifested. in an ECHAD to Come, the same Rhema, (spirit), NT with Flesh, with bone and with Blood in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state, in likeness of a man. God Spoken Word MANIFESTED, Logos.
now @DavidTree, your Children's Study Trivia Question of the DAY, to PROVE out what 101G just said above, Scripture, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
ok Dave, who is the I, and the Me that was sent by the Lord God? is the Lord God the same one person here in Revelation 22:6 LISTEN, "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." the Lord God of the holy prophets........ (smile)
Now Dave, 101G is warning you to study both Isaiah 48:16, and Revelation 22:6 carefully BEFORE U ANSWER.
so Dave is the Lord God in Isaiah 48:16, the same Lord God in Revelation 22:6 who sent his angel to John with this revelation, yes or no? your Children's Study Trivia Question of the DAY ..... ANSWER, please..... (smile).....
.Oh, PS the I and the Me in Isaiah 48:16 is not the prophet Isaiah himself, for he was not at the beginning..... (smile).
can't wait to hear your answer.
101G.
101G
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Now to all, since we're ... as Dave said, in a "Children's Study Trivia", let's expose those fake man-made name for God, Jehovah (English), and Yahweh (Hebrew). scripture, Exodus 6:2 "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:" Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
here God was speaking with Moses in Exodus, and God said by his Name "Jehovah", or I AM (YHWH)/(JHWH) he was NOT, NOT, NOT, known by this name to Abraham. STOP..... this is clear, Abraham did not Know God by the Name "Jehovah". now Genesis comes before Exodus right.... right, well why was the name then in Abraham mouth? scripture. Genesis 22:13 "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son." Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."
well now, did God LIE? no, (God forbid). so how did the name Jehovah get in Abraham mouth when he NEVER KNEW THE NAM?
the translators added that name in Abraham Mouth. see how one catch a false and Lying Name. see how easy it is to catch lies?
so that NAME "Jehovah/Yahweh" is a false Lying MAN-Name.
101G.
here God was speaking with Moses in Exodus, and God said by his Name "Jehovah", or I AM (YHWH)/(JHWH) he was NOT, NOT, NOT, known by this name to Abraham. STOP..... this is clear, Abraham did not Know God by the Name "Jehovah". now Genesis comes before Exodus right.... right, well why was the name then in Abraham mouth? scripture. Genesis 22:13 "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son." Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."
well now, did God LIE? no, (God forbid). so how did the name Jehovah get in Abraham mouth when he NEVER KNEW THE NAM?
the translators added that name in Abraham Mouth. see how one catch a false and Lying Name. see how easy it is to catch lies?
so that NAME "Jehovah/Yahweh" is a false Lying MAN-Name.
101G.
DavidTree
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GINOLJC, to ALL, thanks for the question, and 101G will answer it, LISTEN and LEARN.
Because it's the same Person, in the ECHAD. (Spirit), OT, without flesh, without bone and without blood, Rhema, God Spoken word, not Manifested. in an ECHAD to Come, the same Rhema, (spirit), NT with Flesh, with bone and with Blood in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state, in likeness of a man. God Spoken Word MANIFESTED, Logos.
now @DavidTree, your Children's Study Trivia Question of the DAY, to PROVE out what 101G just said above, Scripture, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
ok Dave, who is the I, and the Me that was sent by the Lord God? is the Lord God the same one person here in Revelation 22:6 LISTEN, "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." the Lord God of the holy prophets........ (smile)
Now Dave, 101G is warning you to study both Isaiah 48:16, and Revelation 22:6 carefully BEFORE U ANSWER.
so Dave is the Lord God in Isaiah 48:16, the same Lord God in Revelation 22:6 who sent his angel to John with this revelation, yes or no? your Children's Study Trivia Question of the DAY ..... ANSWER, please..... (smile).....
Oh, PS the I and the Me in Isaiah 48:16 is not the prophet Isaiah himself, for he was not at the beginning..... (smile).
can't wait to hear your answer.
101G.
There is a specific scriptural answer that has been overlooked and yet it is very obvious.
That specific scipture is what i am requesting for you and the others to find.
Christ being the same 'Person' is not the answer BUT Christ is the Second Member of ELOHIM = Exodus 3:14-16
101G
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if Christ is the Second Member of ELOHIM, then my question and answer still stands, which answer yours. "so, is Jesus the Lord God in Revelation 22:6 who is the same Lord God in Isaiah 48:16, YES or NO please.
now will you please answer my question since I answered yours. if I answered in ERROR, then point it out...... and then we will prove out your answer....... I believe this is fair.
101G.
101G
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Correct, and he is the Lord in Genesis through Revelation. ..... the ENTIRE BIBLE.
101G.
DavidTree
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FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT are the ECHAD ELOHIM of Scripture, Beginning in Genesis and Ending(Beginning Again) in Revelation.
ALL THREE are SEEN
But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into ]it. But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
