Is anyone else a Seer?

[Peterlag]

Therefore, victory in the Christian life is as simple as renewing our minds to who we are and what we have already received in Christ. It’s not the struggle of two natures inside of us. We will continue to struggle with sin if we see ourselves as old sinners saved by grace. And so it's also true we will manifest the change that took place in our new nature when we understand we are not old sinners saved by grace. Thus, we act like being part of the senses world when we see ourselves as being part of the senses world. We act like being part of the Christian world when we see ourselves as being part of Christ—i.e., in our born-again spirits.

 

[Peterlag]

I believe God gave us a new nature when we are born again and that this is what the apostle Paul taught. Then where did this idea come from that we are still sinners by nature, and that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual, but still alive to sin whereby we must with much effort, frustration, and failure be in a battle with our sin nature the rest of our lives? Who taught us that it's not the spirit that has become our new nature, but that after we received Christ within, we still have the old sin nature left as we live the rest of our lives trying to restrain it? If the apostle Paul taught that we do experience a death to our old sin nature once we are baptized into Christ, and that it’s dead and gone and therefore we are dead to sin? Then where did this idea come from that we are still alive to sin? Could it have come from these guys...

The concept of the original sin was first alluded to in the second century by Irenaeus, (Bishop of Lyon) who was working for the Catholics and not for the apostle Paul. Some two hundred years later another church father who went by the name of Augustine, (Bishop of Hippo) whose writings shaped and developed the doctrine of sin as he considered that humanity shared in Adam's sin. Augustine's formulation of the original sin after the year of 412 was popular among protestant reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated the original sin with a hurtful desire meaning that it persisted even after baptism and therefore completely destroyed the freedom to do good. At first Augustine, said that free will was weakened, but not destroyed by the original sin. But after the year of 412 this concept changed to a loss of free will except to sin, and it's this Augustine's concept that influenced the development of the western church and western philosophy and indirectly all of western Christianity.

 

[charismaticlady]

You sin and you know it. Go ahead and say it, right here right now that you never sin.

You are right in general, at least until Jesus as the Author and Finisher of our faith is finished maturing the fruit of the Spirit, but you don't seem to know there are two types of sin, so the Reformation saying of "sin is sin" is not scriptural and puts a baby Christian in a state of frustration. The Reformationists were not to leave behind the truths in Catholicism, just the junk, but they did. Revelation 3:2. But the RCC was right and scriptural that there are mortal sins (sins unto death - the breaking of a Law of God) and venial sins (sins NOT unto death - immature fruit of the Spirit. 1 John 1:7, the sins which we will commit even while walking in the Spirit.) You will find these two categories in 1 John 5:16-17.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die.

Mortal Sins:

1 John 3:4-9
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Venial Sins:

2 Peter 1:2-11 (the list of venial sins are in 5-7)
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[charismaticlady]

I write about this sin concept starting from page 146. Take a look...

Stephen full of Faith and Power (2000), p. 146 https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

Did you post what you wrote here somewhere.

 

[charismaticlady]

I write about this sin concept starting from page 146. Take a look...

Stephen full of Faith and Power (2000), p. 146 https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

Sorry, I would need to download it and I'd rather not.

Did you know that the "s" in spirit was mistakenly capitalized in Galatians 5:17 by publishers of the Bible? It corrolates with Romans 7:15 which is our own mind/spirit. Side not: heart or conscience is the soul.

 

[Peterlag]

Sorry, I would need to download it and I'd rather not.

Did you know that the "s" in spirit was mistakenly capitalized in Galatians 5:17 by publishers of the Bible? It corrolates with Romans 7:15 which is our own mind/spirit. Side not: heart or conscience is the soul.

You don't need to download anything. It's just a website.

 

[Peterlag]

Did you post what you wrote here somewhere.

It's just a website. Nothing to download.

 

[charismaticlady]

You don't need to download anything. It's just a website.

But it asked me to download it when I chose that title.

Can you please just give a short explanation rather than a book.

 

[Peterlag]

But it asked me to download it when I chose that title.

Can you please just give a short explanation rather than a book.

There's nothing to download. It's just a website. Once you're on the site you can read everything right there. You can download the online book if you want to. But that's only if you want to. All the data on the website is free to just read.

 

[Salty]

Oh my!
Have you ever seen a foreskin grow back?

No, tell us about it.

 

[charismaticlady]

Therefore, victory in the Christian life is as simple as renewing our minds to who we are and what we have already received in Christ. It’s not the struggle of two natures inside of us. We will continue to struggle with sin if we see ourselves as old sinners saved by grace. And so it's also true we will manifest the change that took place in our new nature when we understand we are not old sinners saved by grace. Thus, we act like being part of the senses world when we see ourselves as being part of the senses world. We act like being part of the Christian world when we see ourselves as being part of Christ—i.e., in our born-again spirits.

I believe God gave us a new nature when we are born again and that this is what the apostle Paul taught. Then where did this idea come from that we are still sinners by nature, and that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual, but still alive to sin whereby we must with much effort, frustration, and failure be in a battle with our sin nature the rest of our lives? Who taught us that it's not the spirit that has become our new nature, but that after we received Christ within, we still have the old sin nature left as we live the rest of our lives trying to restrain it? If the apostle Paul taught that we do experience a death to our old sin nature once we are baptized into Christ, and that it’s dead and gone and therefore we are dead to sin? Then where did this idea come from that we are still alive to sin? Could it have come from these guys...

The concept of the original sin was first alluded to in the second century by Irenaeus, (Bishop of Lyon) who was working for the Catholics and not for the apostle Paul. Some two hundred years later another church father who went by the name of Augustine, (Bishop of Hippo) whose writings shaped and developed the doctrine of sin as he considered that humanity shared in Adam's sin. Augustine's formulation of the original sin after the year of 412 was popular among protestant reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated the original sin with a hurtful desire meaning that it persisted even after baptism and therefore completely destroyed the freedom to do good. At first Augustine, said that free will was weakened, but not destroyed by the original sin. But after the year of 412 this concept changed to a loss of free will except to sin, and it's this Augustine's concept that influenced the development of the western church and western philosophy and indirectly all of western Christianity.

Wonderful! This is exactly what I teach too.

One time I read a statement from Augustine that said, "by ... we can do what we want." I can't remember if he said "grace" or something else. Immediately I thought he was teaching a license to sin, but when I looked it up to see what else went with this statement, I was pleasantly surprised. He related that when we are born again with a new nature we then naturally do what we want and it is the same thing as what the Spirit wanted. That's a paraphrase of his meaning. I can relate to that, but certainly not what I originally thought he meant.

 

[charismaticlady]

No, tell us about it.

I'd rather not, thank you anyway.