Sin equals imperfection.. after salvation no one is perfect.. case closed.
Is anyone else a Seer?
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charismaticlady
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Perfect is holy, what Jesus asked of us. 1 Peter 1:16, “Be holy, for I am holy.” It takes a while though to mature through the steps 2 Peter 1:5-7. But it is Jesus' job as He finishes us as the Author and Finisher of our faith. Quit insulting the power of the gospel of Jesus. Stop holding on to false doctrines of demons as some excuse to sin. Trust Jesus to take away all desire to sin, and you won't sin. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. Proverbs 23:7.
Just abide in Jesus and He will cleanse all imperfections unintentionally committed as we mature in Him. 1 John 1:7. "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin."
I do flee from sin. I'm just pointing out the facts of sin and salvation.
We can sin less after salvation..but never be sinless. Only Jesus is sinless.
End.
charismaticlady
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That is a myth of the devil holding you back from being Spirit filled.
Romans 8:29 says He is the FIRST OF MANY BRETHREN. You need to study God's word and not just listen to MAN. I see you trying desperately to end this discussion with me. Don't you care about dying in false doctrine that is not the truth?
civic
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I find it very interesting that most Christendom will agree with this statement but not in practice.
Jesus defeated/conquered satan, death and sin.
Most will affirm death and satan but not sin because they still sin.
But there are so many passages that speak of the old man was put to death, sin was put to death, be dead to sin and alive in Christ. Put on the new man, clothe yourself with Christ. There is human volition/will to obey loving what God loves and hating what God hates. There is an active crucifixion that needs to take place. A daily taking up your cross, deny self and follow/obey Christ. Putting on the full armor of God and put to death the flesh.
Galatians 5:24
Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified [past tense and dead] the flesh with its passions and desires.”
Colossians 2:11
“In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off [paste tense; what is circumcised/removed is never again part of the body] when you were circumcised by Christ,”
Romans 6:4
We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.
Romans 7:5
“For when we were [past tense] in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death.”
Romans 8:9
“You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.”
2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Colossians 3:5
Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry.
Colossians 3:9-10
Do not lie to one another, since you have taken off the old self with its practices, / and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
Romans 8:13
For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!
Ephesians 4:22-24
to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; / and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
Romans 13:14
Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh.
Galatians 3:27
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
1 Peter 2:11
Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh, which war against your soul.
Galatians 5:16
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Romans 8:5-6
Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. / The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,
Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.
1 Peter 4:1-2
Therefore, since Christ suffered in His body, arm yourselves with the same resolve, because anyone who has suffered in his body is done with sin. / Consequently, he does not live out his remaining time on earth for human passions, but for the will of God.
1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. / For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. / The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.
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Does a Christian have two natures? Do we all have a sinful nature and a new nature? Is there a continual conflict between the natures?
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I don't believe in a false doctrine false here. It's just a fact that no one is perfect in the sinless sense, even after conversion.
A believer can be perfect in the sense of maturity, mastery, achievements.
The old man is crucified with Christ.. and the believer still has the capacity to return to those behaviours. If they do.. the Holy Spirit will spur them on to break away from them.
Are you saying you can be sinless? Or that you still sin after conversion but have a new nature in Christ that allows you to flee from sin?
charismaticlady
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Absolutely! You need to know that it is all Jesus. He is the Author and Finisher of our faith, not us. He takes away the desire to sin and takes sin out of our nature. That is the first faith - lawlessness - sins unto death 1 John 3:4-5 and Romans 1:16-17. The second faith is a process of maturing the fruit of the Spirit. The key to both types of sin is abiding in Him. This is easy for me because I am absolutely in love with Jesus! He is my husband, Isaiah 54:5.
Many in the Church including myself for the first 30 years of my life have never been born again of the Spirit. We know the ten commandments but have no power in ourselves to keep them. I know because I was deep in the sin of adultery which is a sin unto death when I tried to turn away from it on my own. Month after month I would break it off only to beg him to return no more than 3 days later. I finally gave up and told God that if He wanted this relationship broken then He was going to have my lover break up with me and give him the strength and reason to stay away from me. God answered that prayer. Just one week later he broke up with me. I was heartbroken. But 2 weeks later at church I saw a vision of my sin (a huge glass silo reaching up to heaven in the middle of a field with a huge nest of snakes clogging it.) Also God spoke 8 sentences to me for the first time, and what He said made me repent and a dark heaviness was circumcised off my nature, and I never had the desire to break another commandment again. Then as I abided in Christ from that day on I noticed I didn't react the same as I had prior as one by one Jesus matured each fruit of the Spirit. So yes we will commit acts in immaturity even while abiding in Christ as 1 John 1:7 says, but you will notice the fruit still immature are cleansed from our record and not held against us until all the fruit are mature and we never stumble again 2 Peter 1:10.
Now you can believe Jesus and Peter or your teachers. Who are you going to believe?
charismaticlady
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Yes, I agree. I've said this before that the Jews believe in Christ/Messiah, but not that He is Jesus.
Christians believe in Jesus but not Christ - Daniel 9:24
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
If you still commit acts of immaturity, you still sin.
It's not my teachers that tell me you still sin after salvation.. it's just a fact of life.
I believed on Jesus Christ in my teens.. if I wasn't converted then.. it would have been at university, when I learned eternal security and assurance of salvation from the bible.
I still have things to overcome. Every believer does. Lust is the archilles heel of Christian men these days, which I also struggle with.
Are all Christian men not saved because they struggle with lusf? Then you can cut a huge percentage of the christian population out from being in heaven.
charismaticlady
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Right, but as long as we are abiding in Jesus He is continuing to perfect us and cleanse us from those unintentional sins. As for me, I'm mature, but still abide in Christ.
Are you mature, or do you still find yourself sinning? Have you done anything against your own conscience lately? If so, then you are immature and need to grow in self control. 2 Peter 1:5-7.
Now I'm on the same page. We can grow in maturity. We can be complete in our faith. Even though we still sin.
dwight92070
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Wow, you're actually beginning to speak about the truth of Scripture vs. your mysterious one-on-one talks with God or seeing strange glows over pastors teaching.
charismaticlady
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Do you honestly believe we cannot be perfect and holy? Jesus is also the Finisher of our faith. If He finishes us we do not sin again, even unintentionally because we never stumble. 2 Peter 1:10
Yes, we can never be fully 100 sinless. We are humans.. not God. Maturity in the faith.. completeness in the faith.. yes. 100 percent perfect? Never. Not until heaven. Hence the reason for forgiveness of sins! If we could be 100 percent perfect, what's the point of Jesus taking on our sin and forgiving it?
charismaticlady
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How come you don't read the Bible? Matthew is the first book in the New Testament, and you've never read it??? Or is it that you base your understanding on your own experience? Many in the Church are not born again of the All Powerful Holy Spirit. That is why they cannot experience sinlessness, let alone perfection. I've heard pastors on the radio say we will always sin until we are dead and our body is changed. That is a doctrine of demons so you'll still be a sinner when you die, because as Revelation 22:11 says we will always be in the state we were at when we died. Spirit filled Christians are not sinners, but righteous/sinless or all the say to perfect/holy.
Matthew 5:48
Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
You: what's the point of Jesus taking on our sin and forgiving it? He doesn't just forgive it He TAKES IT OUT OF US BY TAKING IT AWAY! 1 John 3:5
Jesus takes sin out of our old man which is our past sin nature. Without a sin nature you can partake of the divine nature of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4 (read to 11)
1 John 1:9 ...cleansed of all unrighteousness. Nothing about just forgiveness, but we keep the desire.
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Perfect in the bible is about maturity, completion.. not 100 percent sinlessness when referring to believers.
Ask yourself what is the context around 'be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect. That gives the verse it's meaning. It doesn't stand alone.
Perfect:
τέλειος
teleios
tel'-i-os
From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of full age, man, perfect.
Total KJV occurrences: 19
charismaticlady
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You are saying here that the Father in heaven sins, and that is why we can't be perfect, because He isn't. Wow. When I was born again, which you need, I literally felt the sin as a heaviness lift out of my body and nature, and from then on I was a completely different person.
Please pray that you want all false doctrines to be wiped from your mind, and that you want to be baptized with the Holy Spirit to become the person the Father wants you to be. Why? Because no one with uncleansed sin in them when they die will be in heaven.
My thoughts are a seer is any believer who is considered gifted at foreseeing future events or interpreting the future implications of present dreams or visions.
But, more specifically, a seer was a prophet who saw visions—pictures or scenes seen in the mind’s eye, in dreams, or even with one’s natural eye. God spoke to His people through prophets in different ways, and one way was through visions. Accompanying the ability to see visions, a seer was given insight into what God was saying by these visions.
But I would be very careful making sure of avoiding potential danger, mishap, or harm, so be cautious.
The first one that comes to mind is David Koresh. As the head of the Branch Davidians, a religious sect, Koresh claimed to be its final prophet. His apocalyptic Biblical teachings, including interpretations of the Book of Revelation and the Seven Seals. He is responsible for the deaths of 20 children. He let them burn rather than letting them go.
Twelve Tribes another cult, its leaders are a particular kind of psychopaths
This group looks like a peaceful religious community at first glance, but behind the scenes, it’s been accused of child labor, abuse, and keeping kids from getting a proper education. Former members talk about harsh punishments and being cut off from the outside world. Authorities keep an eye on them, especially when it comes to child welfare.
But, more specifically, a seer was a prophet who saw visions—pictures or scenes seen in the mind’s eye, in dreams, or even with one’s natural eye. God spoke to His people through prophets in different ways, and one way was through visions. Accompanying the ability to see visions, a seer was given insight into what God was saying by these visions.
But I would be very careful making sure of avoiding potential danger, mishap, or harm, so be cautious.
The first one that comes to mind is David Koresh. As the head of the Branch Davidians, a religious sect, Koresh claimed to be its final prophet. His apocalyptic Biblical teachings, including interpretations of the Book of Revelation and the Seven Seals. He is responsible for the deaths of 20 children. He let them burn rather than letting them go.
Twelve Tribes another cult, its leaders are a particular kind of psychopaths
This group looks like a peaceful religious community at first glance, but behind the scenes, it’s been accused of child labor, abuse, and keeping kids from getting a proper education. Former members talk about harsh punishments and being cut off from the outside world. Authorities keep an eye on them, especially when it comes to child welfare.
Not that the Father in heaven sins.. no. But that the context isn't about being 100 percent sinless
All sin is cleansed for the believer and the spirit never sins. But being a person still sin in the flesh.
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What does it mean to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect? What is the meaning of Matthew 5:48
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