Is anyone else a Seer?

I read in context.

That's why I differ from you.

Peace out.
If we both read in context, you and I do not resemble any known denomination. They all have doctrines of man.

What does 1 John 1:8 mean to you? Also Romans 7:14-25? Your answer will tell me if you really read these in context or not, and how much context you use.
 
I read in context.

That's why I differ from you.

Peace out.
So if you do what Charismaticlady suggests, she is implying that you will end up with the same (false) beliefs that she has. Nevermind the fact that you have probably already been there, done that - probably many times, and you still end up with different conclusions than she has.
 
So if you do what Charismaticlady suggests, she is implying that you will end up with the same (false) beliefs that she has. Nevermind the fact that you have probably already been there, done that - probably many times, and you still end up with different conclusions than she has.
Dwight, can you answer the questions I asked 360? #841 I think answering Bible questions scared @360watt away. :(
 
Answering bible questions I enjoy very much. Taking apart key doctrine on salvation I do not.
Key doctrines are based on Scripture. You can't answer a simple question regarding what a particular passage means from the context? @dwight92070 come join the fun. And both of you ask me to interpret your own trick questions to me. Here is mine again. Who knows we all may learn something. Others can join in the fun too, if they first answer our questions.

What does 1 John 1:8 mean to you? Also Romans 7:14-25?
 
@360watt and @dwight92070
I want to add to the question with a context to consider.

What does 1 John 1:8 mean in the context of 1 John 1:9 where all sin is cleansed from our nature. Also, check 2:4

What does Romans 7:14-25, based on Romans 7:5-6 and Romans 8:9?

Sin is forgiven at conversion..past present and future sin. They have a new nature.. born again..the Holy Spirit is now in their soul..but still are not perfect. Still sin.

They can sin less. But since they are human...never before death..be completely without sin. People are not perfect..therefore they sin.

The forgiven.. converted soul of the believer.. now does not sin.. so that is where you see verses like in 1 John.. about a believer not sinning. But their flesh.. their human nature is still present.

Believers still trip up, struggle to overcome sins. That's just how the walk with Jesus is for imperfect believers.

Successfully being faithful (which I am not in some areas) .. means heeding the Word of God..and then you can flee from sin by God's power. But you are still imperfect this side of heaven.

Job.. began to lose sight of God in his struggles..David ...struggled with adultery. The culture of the day of David's time had men with many wives..and God forebeared it for a time. The Corinthians church had many problems..but was still one of God's churches.

We all struggle with sin at times as believers.

So with 1 John 1:8-9..this is that daily walk with Jesus of confessing sin we do and living in forgiveness
 
But their flesh.. their human nature is still present.

Thank you. I will answer with these verses for you to address.

Romans 7:5-6 "5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

And Romans 8:9, "9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

But, yes as immature believers we can sin venial sins (sins not unto death), but not lawlessness, mortal sins (sins unto death). (1 John 5:16-17)

1 John 1:7 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin (left in our cleansed nature from lawlessness.) 1 John 3:4-5

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If we both read in context, you and I do not resemble any known denomination. They all have doctrines of man.

What does 1 John 1:8 mean to you? Also Romans 7:14-25? Your answer will tell me if you really read these in context or not, and how much context you use.
john was not that light but john came to bear witness of JESUS , THAT LIGHT .
spiritual indeed . for i will make MAGNFIY MY LAW .
many act like JESUS came to set us free TO SIN and wrote upon our hearts the desires of our flesh
as by their version of grace they make void the law . NEver seen anything like it my friend .
But allow me to ask a simple question
and then give a real simple answer to this simple question .
WHY do we think that many often twist the scrips .
Answer. MANY LOVE SIN and desire to believe a lie . that is a fact .
 
john was not that light but john came to bear witness of JESUS , THAT LIGHT .
spiritual indeed . for i will make MAGNFIY MY LAW .
many act like JESUS came to set us free TO SIN and wrote upon our hearts the desires of our flesh
as by their version of grace they make void the law . NEver seen anything like it my friend .
But allow me to ask a simple question
and then give a real simple answer to this simple question .
WHY do we think that many often twist the scrips .
Answer. MANY LOVE SIN and desire to believe a lie . that is a fact .
Yes, they also believe Jesus came to free us from the Law and forgives our "past, present and future" sins.
 
I read in context.

That's why I differ from you.

Peace out.
No, you can't be reading in context of a whole book. Read John 17, then John 6. Do you believe the words that "no one can snatch us out of God's hand"? Jesus was talking about His apostles! He also said, the only exception was Judas that the Father gave Him to fulfill prophecy." They were the only ones predestined. The only people that Jesus says His Father gave to Him were the apostles. Everybody seems to miss that important distinction. Why? Not reading in complete context.

Also, the Word seems jumbled to someone not filled with God's Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:14. "14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
 
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Yes, they also believe Jesus came to free us from the Law and forgives our "past, present and future" sins.

The fact of salvation being once and forever secure doesn't mean 'I can do whatever I want' now.

Once Saved, the person has the Holy Spirit in their spirit, sealing them. So if they fall into sin, the Holy Spirit will convict them to change their ways. If they continue to sin habitually, they can expect to feel this discipline and rebuke from Him.

Depending on the sin, they could be kicked from their local church, experience disfellowship from fellow church members, and may be taken 'home'..have their life ended by God.. to stop their sin affecting others.

Jesus' payment for the believers sin cannot be under sold. The salvation for a believer is complete and eternal. No sin is uncovered, because that's Jesus' power as God. So a believer experiences discipline from God, not loss of eternal life.

If you think the book of John you can only apply to the apostles for showing they can't lose salvation, the go to Romans or Galatians for justification being explained.
 
The fact of salvation being once and forever secure doesn't mean 'I can do whatever I want' now.

Once Saved, the person has the Holy Spirit in their spirit, sealing them. So if they fall into sin, the Holy Spirit will convict them to change their ways. If they continue to sin habitually, they can expect to feel this discipline and rebuke from Him.

And when it happens you will know it.
Depending on the sin, they could be kicked from their local church, experience disfellowship from fellow church members, and may be taken 'home'..have their life ended by God.. to stop their sin affecting others.

Jesus' payment for the believers sin cannot be under sold. The salvation for a believer is complete and eternal. No sin is uncovered, because that's Jesus' power as God. So a believer experiences discipline from God, not loss of eternal life.

If you think the book of John you can only apply to the apostles for showing they can't lose salvation, the go to Romans or Galatians for justification being explained.
 
If they continue to sin habitually, they can expect to feel this discipline and rebuke from Him.
No, they were never born again of the Spirit in the first place. That was me for the first 30 years of my life, and many others who go to church every week, but only know about Jesus, but not Him personally.
 
No, they were never born again of the Spirit in the first place. That was me for the first 30 years of my life, and many others who go to church every week, but only know about Jesus, but not Him personally.

Since the Holy Spirit is in their soul it is unlikely they will stay in sin and flee..but not guaranteed they will flee. There are a such thing as carnal Christians. The Corinthians were called carnal by Paul..yet were one of God's churches.
 
No, they were never born again of the Spirit in the first place. That was me for the first 30 years of my life, and many others who go to church every week, but only know about Jesus, but not Him personally.
There is but a word that needs to be added and then a name to be uncaptilized .
So let me retype what you wrote .
No , they were never born again of the Spirit in the first place . That was me for the first thirty years of my life , and many others
who go to church every week , but only know about another jesus , but not JESUS personally .
Many have weaved quite another image of what they so desired to BE JESUS
unto this people and many peoples , lost as i once was too , who could even lip HIS NAME , BUT DO NOT KNOW HIM .
I wanna bring you a reminder in another response my friend .
 
No, they were never born again of the Spirit in the first place. That was me for the first 30 years of my life, and many others who go to church every week, but only know about Jesus, but not Him personally.
Folks need to read them bibles my friend .
Many have no idea what occured to the king of israel
has occurred to christendom and this world .
Who will go forth to decieve this people that they may merge as one
and FALL .
And a voice said , I WILL GO and will convince them
of the dire urgency to meet , find common ground and believe the lie .
HOW SO
I will be a mouth IN ALL them nar prophets and liberal progressive
and realms of men
and shall a preach a love that can unify them all as one to find common ground
and to beleive this is the way for PEACE N SAFETY .
AND SO IT HAS. AND SO IT HAS . THEY all merging under the same
LIE my friend . The false love that can unify them to beleive they serve the same
GOD and that all religoins just need to love and find common ground
and this is the solutoin for PEACE n safety . OH but it is a liar my friend .
Leading them all to the day OF DESTRUCTION and perdition of ungodly men .
 
Since the Holy Spirit is in their soul it is unlikely they will stay in sin and flee..but not guaranteed they will flee. There are a such thing as carnal Christians. The Corinthians were called carnal by Paul..yet were one of God's churches.
Matthew 7:19-23
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Paul was especially addressing those in the Corinthian church that had never been born again yet. They were just learning how to be. They were like I was before I was finally saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit. Look at John 15:1-2. Both were IN Christ. “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

360, just don't get too comfortable in OSAS that you stop being holy and maturing in ALL the fruit of the Spirit. That is the only danger in OSAS. I too know I am saved, but I have scriptural proof. All my prayers are still being answered. In fact, 100% of them since 1977. Before that for the first 30 years in church and being a "carnal" Christian, not one prayer was answered. 1 John 3:21-22, "21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
 
Matthew 7:19-23
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

This is about those Jesus never knew..yeah
..not about people who are converted. So I agree this passage is about not being converted in first place. This is people with a kind of pretend Christianity.

But in regards to the Corinthians, he was addressing believers. They had problems. They didn't practice the Lord's Supper correctly, were out of order practicing spiritually gifts etc..

But most would still have been converted, being one of God's churches.
 
All books of the Bible are written for believers, none are written for unbelievers. Of course some unbelievers have been converted by reading the Bible - that happened to me. Some unbelievers have read the Bible and remain unbelievers.
Anyway, the epistles of John were written to believers, so in reading 1 John 1, we know John is speaking to fellow Christians, so that is the starting point in getting the context correct in interpreting it.

John says that, as fellow disciples of Jesus, we can have fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. Verse 3

In verse 6, He warns believers that is they "walk in the darkness" and yet claim to be a Christian, they are lying. Walking in the darkness implies living a life-style of sin. Either they are a tare planted by Satan, or a believer who has fallen away from the Lord and has lost salvation or a deceived believer who still claims Jesus, but is careless about abiding in Him - becoming friendly with the world and forsaking fellowship with other believers and not walking in a holy manner. I believe that all three of these conditions are not necessarily hopeless. They can repent and come back to Jesus.

By contrast, John, in verse 7 speaks of believers who are walking in the Light, living their lives in a holy way. They have fellowship with other believers and with the Father and the Son- but John surprisingly says that the blood of Jesus will cleanse them from all sin. We are surprised to hear that they need to be cleansed of all sin. We know they were cleansed of sin when they first got saved. But now they are walking in the light, living a life-style of righteousness, yet John says they still need, at times, to be cleansed from their sins.

In verse 8, John continues to speak to those who are walking in the Light, but who say, "I don't have any sin - Jesus already forgave me back when I was saved." John says these Christians are deceiving themselves and the truth is not in them.

In verse 9, he continues to speak to the same group and says that if they confess their sins, God is faithful and righteous to forgive their sins and to cleanse them from all unrighteousness. If they stubbornly continue to insist that they have not sinned, they make God a liar and His word is not in them.

Believers will never reach a place where they no longer sin on this earth. This is why Jesus washed His disciples' feet. Jesus said, "He who has bathed (that is, gotten saved) needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean." (that is, to confess their sins and allow the blood of Jesus to cleanses them from all unrighteousness).

Jesus recognized that as we walk through this sinful, dark world, we cannot avoid getting our feet dirty - that is, we will sin. We must allow Jesus to "wash our feet" and cleanse us from any current sins. If we say, like Peter, "Lord, NEVER shall you wash my feet!" Jesus will answer us, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."

If we do not allow Jesus to wash us of our current and sometimes daily sins, we will have no part with Him.

Just because we still sin at times, does not mean that we are not walking in the Light. But we must deal with those sins, not ignore them, or say that we have no sins.
 
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