Irresistible Grace

Its the Church. The Mediator of this Covenant is Christ, the Head of His Body the Church Heb 8:6

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Who is He the Mediator ?
Again read the text not your theology

Newsflash that is a promise made to Israel

If it includes saving faith, then all Israelites would have believed and been saved

You need to stop reading your theology into texts and consider what it actually states.
 
Again read the text not your theology

Newsflash that is a promise made to Israel

If it includes saving faith, then all Israelites would have believed and been saved

You need to stop reading your theology into texts and consider what it actually states.
Who is He the Mediator ?
 
Who is He the Mediator ?
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

but don't dodge the issue'

Again read the text not your theology

Ezek 36:26 is a promise made to Israel

If it includes saving faith, then all Israelites would have believed and been saved

You need to stop reading your theology into texts and consider what it actually states.
 
Again read the text not your theology

Newsflash that is a promise made to Israel

If it includes saving faith, then all Israelites would have believed and been saved

You need to stop reading your theology into texts and consider what it actually states.
Yes which is why I asked if he was a Jew then the evasion and diversion started.

A perfect example of pre-texting and proof texting.

As the theological saying goes. A text without the context is a pre-text for a proof- text
 
Yes which is why I asked if he was a Jew then the evasion and diversion started.

A perfect example of pre-texting and proof texting.

As the theological saying goes. A text without the context is a pre-text for a proof- text
Yes, I saw that. That poster continues reading his/her theology into scripture even when the result is obviously contrary to truth.
 
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1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

but don't dodge the issue'

Again read the text not your theology

Ezek 36:26 is a promise made to Israel

If it includes saving faith, then all Israelites would have believed and been saved

You need to stop reading your theology into texts and consider what it actually states.
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ?
 
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ?
Are you now able to read?

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

but don't dodge the issue'

Again read the text not your theology

Ezek 36:26 is a promise made to Israel

If it includes saving faith, then all Israelites would have believed and been saved

You need to stop reading your theology into texts and consider what it actually states.
 
God was Thanked because He caused it. Duh Just like here, God is thanked for causing Gospel obedience Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Otherwise they would have remained servants of sin, unbelievers.

God causes obedience its a Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

That causing is effectual Grace !

With your reasoning, the sinner should be Thanked that he obeyed the Gospel lol God is Thanked because God did the work
Gods teaching His Grace is resisted which refutes the " I " in tulip

My top 20 reasons against grace being irresistible

1-Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

2-Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

3-Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

4-Galatians 5:4-7
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

5-Hebrews 12:14-15
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

6-2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

7-Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

8-Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

9-Genesis 6:3: And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

10-2 Chronicles 36:15-16: And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

11-Proverbs 29:1: He who is often rebuked, and hardens his neck, Will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

12-Isaiah 30:15 “For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel: ‘In returning and rest you shall be saved; In quiteness and confidence shall be your strength.’ But you would not.”

13-Isaiah 65:2“I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts.”

14-Jeremiah 35:15 “I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me.”

15-Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”

16-Acts 13:46: Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.”

17-Romans 10:21: But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”

18- Matthew 23:37: Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”

19- Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

20- Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert.

Adam who was “spiritually “dead hid from God in the garden and was able to communicate with God and understand Him. In the day you eat you shall surely die. So adam sinned and was spiritually dead and yet could communicate with God and understand God. “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” (Genesis 3:10)

Luke 16:27-31 -“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Above we see that Jesus declared the physical dead and spiritual dead can respond to spiritual things. The dead spiritual/physical dead man is pleading for his own brother’s life.

Jesus declares in John 5:25, “An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” Here Jesus says the spiritually dead can and will hear him

In Mark 2:17 Jesus said, “"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The sick/spiritually dead can hear and understand Jesus- the sinner who is dead in their sins can understand.

In Romans 1 we read of the spiritually dead that they can perceive God and that Gods handiwork is self-evident to them and that the things of God are clearly seen by them so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20- For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

conclusion: You see the doctrine of irresistible grace is unfounded and there are many unproven presuppositions built into Gods Sovereignty and mans condition and free will to choose or reject God. God does not force Himself on anyone for that by definition would be unloving, just as it would be for you or I to force another person to love you.

hope this helps !!!
 
Are you now able to read?

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

but don't dodge the issue'

Again read the text not your theology

Ezek 36:26 is a promise made to Israel

If it includes saving faith, then all Israelites would have believed and been saved

You need to stop reading your theology into texts and consider what it actually states.
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isnt up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isnt up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
 
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isnt up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isnt up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
 
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
 
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
 
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
 
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
Who is He the Mediator ? The Mediator is the same in both passages, so who is it ? Christ Jesus. So He is the Head of the Church, thats who receives the benefits of the New Covenant, and truth be told, its the same for 1 Tim 2:5-6 Christ there is the Mediator of the New Covenant and the people concerned are again the House of Israel but its Spiritual House of Israel. Jesus isn't up in Heaven changing Mediator positions, at one time for the House of Israel and then all the sudden for all humanity, no its consistent

So 1 Tim 2 the all He desires to be saved shall be saved according to the promises of the everlasting /New Covenant they will all come into the knowledge of the Truth, isnt that the Covenant Promise Heb 8:11

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again you read your theology into the position while ignoring the verse you quote

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

How is it you quote verses which contradict your view and you cannot see it
 
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