Irresistible Grace

@TomL



Yes you have
You simply ignored this

Conditional Election Explained​

At the heart of Arminian theology lies the doctrine of conditional election, a concept that fundamentally redefines the nature of divine selection. Unlike the deterministic framework often associated with Calvinist thought, conditional election posits that God’s choice to save individuals is contingent upon their response to His grace. This means that while God desires all to be saved, He elects those who freely choose to accept His offer of salvation.
This theological stance underscores the dynamic interaction between divine sovereignty and human agency. God’s foreknowledge plays a pivotal role here; He foresees who will respond positively to His grace and elects them accordingly.
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Arminian Election: Historical Background and Theological Insights

Explore the historical and theological nuances of Arminian election, its scriptural basis, and its impact on modern theology.
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Hello @civic,

1) Adam could not die spiritually, because he was not spiritual:-

'And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy:
and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.'

(1Co 15:45-49)

2) Re: Luke 16:17-31:- The Pharisees believed that it was possible for the dead to communicate with the living, but the testimony of Scripture makes void that belief. It claims that they go down into silence, and thereby deny that there is consciousness in death (Psa. 115:17. In the story of the rich man and Lazarus the Lord was exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisee, who made the word of God of none effect by their tradition.

'The dead praise not the LORD,
neither any that go down into silence.'

(Psa 115:17)

* I do not expect you to respond to this, for it is not the subject of the thread, but please do consider it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Care to elaborate on this a bit more @Complete.

Johann.
 
Utter nonsense

There is a content to what God foreknows

Clearly the elect here are those who had not bowed a knee to Baal

Those God knows or knows before

1 Corinthians 8:3 (LEB) — 3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by him.
'
Galatians 4:9 (LEB) — 9 But now, because you have come to know God, or rather have come to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and miserable elemental spirits? Do you want to be enslaved to them all over again?

Election according to foreknowledge is an Arminian not a Calvinist position


Arminian Election: Historical Background and Theological Insights

Explore the historical and theological nuances of Arminian election, its scriptural basis, and its impact on modern theology.

DivineNarratives Team


Published Jul 24, 2024
The debate over divine election has long been a cornerstone of Christian theological discourse. Arminianism, named after the Dutch theologian Jacobus Arminius, offers an alternative perspective to Calvinist predestination that emphasizes human free will and conditional election.

This topic is important because it shapes how millions of Christians understand salvation, grace, and God’s sovereignty.
To grasp these concepts fully, we need to delve into their origins and implications.


Historical Background of Arminianism

The roots of Arminianism trace back to the late 16th and early 17th centuries, a period marked by intense theological debate within the Reformed tradition. Jacobus Arminius, a Dutch Reformed theologian, emerged as a significant figure during this time. Initially, Arminius was a student of Theodore Beza, John Calvin’s successor, and was expected to uphold Calvinist doctrines. However, his theological journey took a different path, leading him to question and eventually challenge some of the prevailing Calvinist views.
Arminius’s divergence from Calvinism was not abrupt but rather a gradual process influenced by his pastoral and academic experiences. As a pastor in Amsterdam and later a professor at the University of Leiden, Arminius engaged deeply with the Scriptures and the writings of early church fathers. His reflections led him to emphasize the role of human free will in salvation, a stance that contrasted sharply with the Calvinist doctrine of unconditional election.
The theological tensions between Arminius and his Calvinist contemporaries culminated in a series of public debates and writings. Arminius’s followers, known as the Remonstrants, formalized his views in a document called the “Remonstrance of 1610.” This document outlined five articles of faith that opposed the Calvinist teachings on predestination, grace, and atonement. The Remonstrance sparked significant controversy and led to the Synod of Dort (1618-1619), where Arminianism was condemned, and Calvinist orthodoxy was reaffirmed.
Despite the Synod’s condemnation, Arminianism continued to grow and evolve. It found a receptive audience in various Protestant circles, particularly among those who were uncomfortable with the deterministic implications of Calvinism. Over time, Arminianism influenced the development of Methodism through John Wesley, who adopted and adapted Arminian principles to form the theological foundation of his movement.


Key Theological Concepts

Arminian theology is distinctive for its emphasis on the synergistic relationship between divine grace and human free will. At its core, this perspective maintains that while God’s grace initiates the process of salvation, human beings possess the capacity to either accept or reject this grace. This collaboration between divine influence and human response stands in contrast to the monergistic view of salvation, which asserts that God alone determines an individual’s salvation without any human cooperation.
Central to Arminian thought is the concept of prevenient grace. This grace, which precedes any human action, is believed to be universally extended to all people, enabling them to respond to God’s call. Unlike irresistible grace in Calvinist theology, prevenient grace does not compel a response but rather empowers individuals to make a genuine choice regarding their faith. This notion upholds the integrity of human free will while also affirming God’s initiative in the salvation process.
Arminianism also introduces the idea of resistible grace, which asserts that humans can resist God’s grace even after it has been extended to them. This resistance can manifest in various forms, such as willful disobedience or neglect of spiritual disciplines. The possibility of resisting grace underscores the Arminian belief in the ongoing responsibility of believers to remain steadfast in their faith journey.
Another significant aspect of Arminian theology is its view on perseverance. Unlike the Calvinist doctrine of the perseverance of the saints, which guarantees that the elect will inevitably persevere in faith until the end, Arminianism posits that true believers have the potential to fall away from grace. This belief is rooted in the conviction that human free will remains operative throughout one’s life, making it possible for individuals to choose to abandon their faith.


Conditional Election Explained

At the heart of Arminian theology lies the doctrine of conditional election, a concept that fundamentally redefines the nature of divine selection. Unlike the deterministic framework often associated with Calvinist thought, conditional election posits that God’s choice to save individuals is contingent upon their response to His grace. This means that while God desires all to be saved, He elects those who freely choose to accept His offer of salvation.
This theological stance underscores the dynamic interaction between divine sovereignty and human agency. God’s foreknowledge plays a pivotal role here; He foresees who will respond positively to His grace and elects them accordingly.
And the debate is still ongoing dear brother. Leighton is a "Provisionist" but enjoy reading his arguments and then there is Mike Winger.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JO-a0yyMPk&pp=ygUZZWxlY3Rpb24gbGVpZ2h0b24gZmxvd2Vycw==


In this clip, Caleb and I interact with an answer Mike Winger gives about a passage concerning the doctrine of election. He believes it does not represent the Calvinistic perspective, and may in fact refute it. Is he correct?


J.

 
Laughable as all you produce is spam and never address rebuttal

 
And the debate is still ongoing dear brother. Leighton is a "Provisionist" but enjoy reading his arguments and then there is Mike Winger.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JO-a0yyMPk&pp=ygUZZWxlY3Rpb24gbGVpZ2h0b24gZmxvd2Vycw==


In this clip, Caleb and I interact with an answer Mike Winger gives about a passage concerning the doctrine of election. He believes it does not represent the Calvinistic perspective, and may in fact refute it. Is he correct?


J.

The Calvinist doctrine of unconditional election is not biblical

God saves those that believe, not those unconditionally chosen
 
The Calvinist doctrine of unconditional election is not biblical

God saves those that believe, not those unconditionally chosen
I fully concur.

J.
 
Laughable as all you produce is spam and never address rebuttal

You be spamming up these folks data
 
@TomL



Yes you have
Your ignorance of election based on foreknowledge has been clearly shown

 
Nope

one must hear and learn

John 6:45 (LEB) — 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who hears from the Father and learns comes to me.

learning involves the response of men
I agree. You must also understand what you hear and see. It is God who gives you ears to hear and eyes to see. It is the Spirit who gives understanding of the things of God.

These verses also speak to the question of ability. "No man can come unless.......
 
God the Holy Spirit saves every elect, redeemed sinner by the irresistible power of his grace Ps. 65:4 The grace of God does not offer salvation; it brings salvation! Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
 
God the Holy Spirit saves every elect, redeemed sinner by the irresistible power of his grace Ps. 65:4 The grace of God does not offer salvation; it brings salvation! Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Grace is not irresistible

Hebrews 12:15 (LEB) — 15 Take care that no one falls short of the grace of God; that no one growing up like a root of bitterness causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

Acts 7:51 (LEB) — 51 “You stiff-necked people and uncircumcised in hearts and in your ears! You constantly resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers did, so also do you!

2 Corinthians 6:1 (LEB) — 1 Now because we are fellow workers, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain.

Romans 2:4 (LEB) — 4 Or do you despise the wealth of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

Jude 4 (LEB) — 4 For certain men have slipped in stealthily, who were designated long ago for this condemnation, ungodly ones, who change the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:29 (LEB) — 29 How much worse punishment do you think the person will be considered worthy of who treats with disdain the Son of God and who considers ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy and who insults the Spirit of grace?
 
@TomL

Grace is not irresistible

Yes it is, Show a verse that specifically says its not. Grace reigns through Righteousness Rom 5:21

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now those six or seven scriptures you bombarded me with, please exegete each one from their context showing explicitly that grace is not irresistible, that's on you
 
@TomL



Yes it is, Show a verse that specifically says its not. Grace reigns through Righteousness Rom 5:21

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now those six or seven scriptures you bombarded me with, please exegete each one from their context showing explicitly that grace is not irresistible, that's on you

Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

Barnes:
the triumphant King and Lord of Zion wept! Amid all "his" prosperity, and all the acclamations of the multitude, the heart of the Redeemer of the world was turned from the tokens of rejoicing to the miseries about to come on a guilty people. Yet they "might" have been saved.

conclusion: Those whom He came to seek and save ( the lost ) rejected Him.

2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert!

Here we see them in the wilderness rejecting Gods grace upon them and grieving God in the process.

People sin: Which separated all from fellowship with God.
Responsible: Able-to-respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation.
Open door: For anyone to enter by faith. Whosoever will may come to His open arms.
Vicarious atonement: Provides a way for anyone to be saved by Christ’s blood.
Illuminating grace: Provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith.
Destroyed: For unbelief and resisting the Holy Spirit.
Eternal security: For all true believers.

Gods teaching His Grace is resisted which refutes the " I " in tulip

My top 20 reasons against grace being irresistible


1-Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

2-Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

3-Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

4-Galatians 5:4-7
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

5-Hebrews 12:14-15
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

6-2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

7-Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

8-Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

9-Genesis 6:3: And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

10-2 Chronicles 36:15-16: And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

11-Proverbs 29:1: He who is often rebuked, and hardens his neck, Will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

12-Isaiah 30:15 “For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel: ‘In returning and rest you shall be saved; In quiteness and confidence shall be your strength.’ But you would not.”

13-Isaiah 65:2“I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts.”

14-Jeremiah 35:15 “I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me.”

15-Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”

16-Acts 13:46: Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.”

17-Romans 10:21: But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”

18- Matthew 23:37: Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”

19- Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

20- Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert.

Adam who was “spiritually “dead hid from God in the garden and was able to communicate with God and understand Him. In the day you eat you shall surely die. So adam sinned and was spiritually dead and yet could communicate with God and understand God. “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” (Genesis 3:10)

Luke 16:27-31 -“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Above we see that Jesus declared the physical dead and spiritual dead can respond to spiritual things. The dead spiritual/physical dead man is pleading for his own brother’s life.

Jesus declares in John 5:25, “An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” Here Jesus says the spiritually dead can and will hear him

In Mark 2:17 Jesus said, “"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The sick/spiritually dead can hear and understand Jesus- the sinner who is dead in their sins can understand.

In Romans 1 we read of the spiritually dead that they can perceive God and that Gods handiwork is self-evident to them and that the things of God are clearly seen by them so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20- For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

conclusion: You see the doctrine of irresistible grace is unfounded and there are many unproven presuppositions built into Gods Sovereignty and mans condition and free will to choose or reject God. God does not force Himself on anyone for that by definition would be unloving, just as it would be for you or I to force another person to love you.

hope this helps !!!
 
Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

Barnes:
the triumphant King and Lord of Zion wept! Amid all "his" prosperity, and all the acclamations of the multitude, the heart of the Redeemer of the world was turned from the tokens of rejoicing to the miseries about to come on a guilty people. Yet they "might" have been saved.

conclusion: Those whom He came to seek and save ( the lost ) rejected Him.

2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert!

Here we see them in the wilderness rejecting Gods grace upon them and grieving God in the process.

People sin: Which separated all from fellowship with God.
Responsible: Able-to-respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation.
Open door: For anyone to enter by faith. Whosoever will may come to His open arms.
Vicarious atonement: Provides a way for anyone to be saved by Christ’s blood.
Illuminating grace: Provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith.
Destroyed: For unbelief and resisting the Holy Spirit.
Eternal security: For all true believers.

Gods teaching His Grace is resisted which refutes the " I " in tulip

My top 20 reasons against grace being irresistible


1-Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

2-Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

3-Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

4-Galatians 5:4-7
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

5-Hebrews 12:14-15
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

6-2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

7-Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

8-Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

9-Genesis 6:3: And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

10-2 Chronicles 36:15-16: And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

11-Proverbs 29:1: He who is often rebuked, and hardens his neck, Will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

12-Isaiah 30:15 “For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel: ‘In returning and rest you shall be saved; In quiteness and confidence shall be your strength.’ But you would not.”

13-Isaiah 65:2“I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts.”

14-Jeremiah 35:15 “I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me.”

15-Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”

16-Acts 13:46: Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.”

17-Romans 10:21: But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”

18- Matthew 23:37: Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”

19- Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

20- Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert.

Adam who was “spiritually “dead hid from God in the garden and was able to communicate with God and understand Him. In the day you eat you shall surely die. So adam sinned and was spiritually dead and yet could communicate with God and understand God. “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” (Genesis 3:10)

Luke 16:27-31 -“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Above we see that Jesus declared the physical dead and spiritual dead can respond to spiritual things. The dead spiritual/physical dead man is pleading for his own brother’s life.

Jesus declares in John 5:25, “An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” Here Jesus says the spiritually dead can and will hear him

In Mark 2:17 Jesus said, “"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The sick/spiritually dead can hear and understand Jesus- the sinner who is dead in their sins can understand.

In Romans 1 we read of the spiritually dead that they can perceive God and that Gods handiwork is self-evident to them and that the things of God are clearly seen by them so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20- For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

conclusion: You see the doctrine of irresistible grace is unfounded and there are many unproven presuppositions built into Gods Sovereignty and mans condition and free will to choose or reject God. God does not force Himself on anyone for that by definition would be unloving, just as it would be for you or I to force another person to love you.

hope this helps !!!
Conclusion is that you failed to show by exegesis how any of those verses denies irresistible grace that saves a dead sinner. How does a sinner dead in sin, resist being made alive by Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Show how being made alive by Grace is resistible
 
Conclusion is that you failed to show by exegesis how any of those verses denies irresistible grace that saves a dead sinner. How does a sinner dead in sin, resist being made alive by Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Show how being made alive by Grace is resistible
projecting as your doctrine failed as demonstrated by all the passages taught by Jesus and the Apostles revealing Gods grace is resistible.
 
Grace is not irresistible.

if it was. everyone would be saved

Israel would have never rebelled

The flood would never have occured..

I can go on and on and on
Grace is never for everyone, its only for a remnant Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Thats one of the offences of the Gospel of Grace, it emphasizes that this Grace is limited to a certain chosen people.
 
projecting as your doctrine failed as demonstrated by all the passages taught by Jesus and the Apostles revealing Gods grace is resistible.
Show how Grace that makes a dead person alive can be resisted. Could Lazarus have resisted Jesus raising him from the dead ? Thats a biblical analogy, you heard of that b4 ?
 
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