brightfame52
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Thats why Jesus says all men in Jn 12:32 to squash that ethnic notion, God isnt a respecter of persons
Irresistible Grace
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civic
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your god shows partiality only saving elect calvinists. you proved my point.
brightfame52
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Thats why Jesus says all men in Jn 12:32 to squash that ethnic notion, God isnt a respecter of persons
brightfame52
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Irresistible grace is limited to the chosen, the elect of God,
Notice Peter writing to the Elect of God 1 Pet 1:2
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
The word elect here is ἐκλεκτός:
Now these same ones Peter writes of them 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
He calls them "chosen" and its the same exact word from Chapter 1 for the word Elect,
Now to them Peter said they should show praises to God, and for what ? His Irresistible grace, which called them out of darkness [the darkness of unbelief] into His Marvelous Light, that is Gospel Light, which induced Faith and obedience. Thats an effectual, irresistible call for the elect.
Matt Poole on 1 Pet 2:9
The word darkness σκότος;
Darkness
Meaning: darkness, either physical or moral.
Word Origin: Derived from the base of σκεῦος (skeuos), meaning "a vessel" or "implement," which metaphorically extends to the concept of obscurity or darkness.
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H2822 - חֹשֶׁךְ (choshek): Often used in the Old Testament to describe physical darkness and metaphorically for ignorance or evil (e.g., Genesis 1:2, Exodus 10:21).
Usage: In the New Testament, "skotos" primarily refers to physical darkness, the absence of light. However, it is often used metaphorically to describe spiritual or moral darkness, symbolizing ignorance, sin, and separation from God. It contrasts with "phos" (light), representing truth, righteousness, and divine presence.
So this call brings about a total conversion experience from the darkness of unbelief and ignorance, to Faith and Believing the Gospel, this is limited however to Gods elect , whether jew or gentile.
Notice Peter writing to the Elect of God 1 Pet 1:2
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
The word elect here is ἐκλεκτός:
Now these same ones Peter writes of them 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
He calls them "chosen" and its the same exact word from Chapter 1 for the word Elect,
Now to them Peter said they should show praises to God, and for what ? His Irresistible grace, which called them out of darkness [the darkness of unbelief] into His Marvelous Light, that is Gospel Light, which induced Faith and obedience. Thats an effectual, irresistible call for the elect.
Matt Poole on 1 Pet 2:9
The word darkness σκότος;
Darkness
Meaning: darkness, either physical or moral.
Word Origin: Derived from the base of σκεῦος (skeuos), meaning "a vessel" or "implement," which metaphorically extends to the concept of obscurity or darkness.
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H2822 - חֹשֶׁךְ (choshek): Often used in the Old Testament to describe physical darkness and metaphorically for ignorance or evil (e.g., Genesis 1:2, Exodus 10:21).
Usage: In the New Testament, "skotos" primarily refers to physical darkness, the absence of light. However, it is often used metaphorically to describe spiritual or moral darkness, symbolizing ignorance, sin, and separation from God. It contrasts with "phos" (light), representing truth, righteousness, and divine presence.
So this call brings about a total conversion experience from the darkness of unbelief and ignorance, to Faith and Believing the Gospel, this is limited however to Gods elect , whether jew or gentile.
Nothing there about irresistible grace and election is based on foreknowledge there
brightfame52
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Nothing you have eyes to see
It is not eyes you need to see that but a strong imagination.
brightfame52
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Again Nothing you have eyes to see
Sorry, you are still running on imagination
brightfame52
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Again Nothing you have eyes to see
Sorry, you are still running on imagination
And your inability to address scripture contrary to your view shows you are the one without eyes to see
brightfame52
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Nothing you have eyes to see
Sorry, you are still running on imagination
And your inability to address scripture contrary to your view shows you are the one without eyes to see
brightfame52
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Nothing you have eyes to see
Sorry, you are still running on imagination
And your inability to address scripture contrary to your view shows you are the one without eyes to see
brightfame52
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Nothing you have eyes to see. No scripture you have provided is contrary to my beliefs, its all in your mind. If anything, the scripture you provide support my views.
Then why can you not address rebuttal
brightfame52
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Its not rebuttal save in your mind.
When you cannot address it, it is in fact rebuttal
Irresistible grace is (like you convincingly argued in your post) is not an universal truth. Nevertheless during my conversion it 100% felt that way, up to point (without boasting) I felt chosen and asking God, why me and not everybody else? And that question was never answered. Overwhelmed by God's love was irresistible, impossible to reject, it made me an instant believer. Sometimes (emphasis added) the Lord just takes. Examples enough in Scripture, Abraham, Moses, the OT prophets, Paul being knocked down to the ground by Jesus.
All Calvinist points, and I am not a Calvinist
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