civic
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A Calvinist pastor , apologist and author who is popular with the Calvinists
Infant Reprobation and Damnation
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praise_yeshua
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"alpha and omega"... ministries.
Got to love how a man can be so oblivious to reality as to call "his" ministry "Alpha and Omega"....
It is really sad how Christian don't mind take the place of the real "Alpha and Omega".
Diserner
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No, you are not.
You are not even arguing against my position... presumably because you didn't offer me the bare dignity of even studying it.
I have always said, and always will say, that God can do ANYTHING he wants—ANYTHING.
It would not be defined as "sin" in God's case, even if it were the same action.
praise_yeshua
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How so? Are you a Calvinist?
Diserner
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No, he's not. He used to post on Carm a long time ago, I remember it.
praise_yeshua
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I was using your position in your comments. It was a battle of rhetoric. You don't think we've argued enough with one another to know each other's position?
If God "lied" it would be sin.
Pray about my comments and understand the character of God...
Please don't get angry with me. I'm not looking to have that type of argument...
Diserner
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No, it wouldn't.
And I've said that before but you claim to read my posts.
Sad and proves you are self-deceived.
I always pray about all posts, brother... don't you?!
praise_yeshua
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Exactly
I believe you will agree. To me, it is a really poor argument to appeal to God's "righteousness" at the expense of His love.
praise_yeshua
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No. I don't pray before I post every comment. Do you really do that?
I live with the Spirit.....
In fact, Jesus told his disciple to not pray beforehand.
Rockson
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If people are feeling that I think they should stay with the understanding we may not be able to choose how we're born but we can choose what we're going to do after birth.....that is at the time of the age of accountability. (which I believe does exist but not a year but based on spiritual comprehension status.
Not only that you sinned before birth and committed the unforgivable....it actually goes contrary to what the scripture states that sin entered passed down from Adam because of his choice. That's not just some wild speculation as the other thing is.....that is Rom 5:12.
praise_yeshua
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Rehashing like always. That is what we do... right? We all crossover previous comments.
Diserner
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No, they should sacrifice their own sense of justice to God's Word.
Period.
And stop trying to cobble things together that make them "feel better" about God.
praise_yeshua
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Is that like beating our own young child with a rod because they don't understand us?
How would you want your child to understand you?
Luk 11:11 What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent;
civic
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Some live in the temporal with God instead of the Eternal. When the temporal is gone, love remains just as it did prior to the temporal. Its the night and day difference between man centered theology and God centered theology. And notice how quickly the conversations go back to the temporal/man centered arguments.
Diserner
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No, it's like bowing in worship before a supremely infinitely powerful and pure Entity that created and sustains all things.
Ask Abraham about that on his trip to Moriah, he'd have some real insights for you—and you better thank him, because Jesus came through it.
praise_yeshua
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Yeah. It is a vicious circle.
God isolated sinners instead of killing them. I wonder why.......Mercy. Patience. Longsuffering. Love.
civic
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And I bet you think abrahamn/isaac was a type of the Father/Son right ?
praise_yeshua
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Like Aseity?
That is what you're describing. God doesn't need us. However, you're creating a "need" in Divinity in many ways in your theology.
Abraham believed that God would raise his son Isaac from the grave. He saw a vision of the Resurrection from God long before Christ ever died.
You know, I kinda believe that Isaac took after Adam in resemblance.
It is amazing to me that you're talking about the Grace of God while demanding God judge innocence.
Diserner
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Let us all pray and read God's dear precious Word and what it illustrates to us:
Genesis 22:1 Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."
2 Then He said, "Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."
3 So Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he split the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.
4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted his eyes and saw the place afar off.
5 And Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; the lad and I will go yonder and worship, and we will come back to you."
6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together.
7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, "My father!" And he said, "Here I am, my son." Then he said, "Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?"
8 And Abraham said, "My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering." So the two of them went together.
9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
11 But the Angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" So he said, "Here I am."
12 And He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."
13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son.
14 And Abraham called the name of the place, The-LORD-Will-Provide; as it is said to this day, "In the Mount of The LORD it shall be provided."
15 Then the Angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time out of heaven,
16 and said: "By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son--
17 "blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
18 "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."
19 So Abraham returned to his young men, and they rose and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba. (Gen. 22:1-19 NKJ)
Genesis 22:1 Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."
2 Then He said, "Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."
3 So Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he split the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.
4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted his eyes and saw the place afar off.
5 And Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; the lad and I will go yonder and worship, and we will come back to you."
6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together.
7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, "My father!" And he said, "Here I am, my son." Then he said, "Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?"
8 And Abraham said, "My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering." So the two of them went together.
9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
11 But the Angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" So he said, "Here I am."
12 And He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."
13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son.
14 And Abraham called the name of the place, The-LORD-Will-Provide; as it is said to this day, "In the Mount of The LORD it shall be provided."
15 Then the Angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time out of heaven,
16 and said: "By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son--
17 "blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
18 "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."
19 So Abraham returned to his young men, and they rose and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba. (Gen. 22:1-19 NKJ)
