civic
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The same moral laws in the OT apply in the NT. This very thread is proof from quoting the passages on the topic of the OP.
Inclusion of LGBT Christians
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Frank Russell
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People who quote this excerpt from Romans Chapter 1 tend to forget that Romans Chapter 2 is immediately juxtaposed.
The whole application lesson of Romans Chapter 2 is ignored when applying Romans Chapter 1.
It is a shame.
Frank Russell
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The way they are applied is different, I mean when was the last time anyone was stoned for committing a sin?
The moral laws included punishments, thus the OT does not apply in the NT. We need to begin from the root of mutual respect and start over.
civic
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I'm not ignoring anything just pointing out the unnatural way, the ungodly way sex is used outside of a marriage between a man and a woman- which is natural. Thats how God designed the relationships to be between a man and a woman, not a man and a man, woman and woman which is unnatural, ungodly and sinful/depraved.
Frank Russell
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DavidTree
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The incarnate God did not leave us to be orphans on a forbidden planet.
John chapter 14
If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
19“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.
20At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
22Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
25“These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
DavidTree
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God made men to be like trees = to be strong, to breathe, to reproduce and bear good fruit
"Like an apple tree among the trees of the woods, So is my beloved among the sons. I sat down in his shade with great delight, And his fruit was sweet to my taste."
"And having looked up, he was saying, "I see the men, for I see them as trees walking."
"Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden."
Hosanna
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So we went from the birds and the bees to the flowers and the trees. Outstanding! But you know trees can be dangerous. Sonny Bono died on January 5, 1998, of injuries incurred when he hit a tree while skiing at Heavenly Mountain Resort in South Lake Tahoe, California. It does have an extremely steep run where you can really pick up some speed.
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DavidTree
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i love skiing - snow and water
unfortunately i can no longer participate = i miss those days of flying downhill and skimming across the water
Frank Russell
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Cities are unnatural though.
Following this line of thought, whatever you apply to homosexuality - also apply to cities in general.
DavidTree
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How can you tell the difference between buildings?
Frank Russell
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I'm not sure what your angle is. But Scripture is clear that cities are profane places.
Eze 42:20 He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.
Eze 48:15 And the five thousand, that are left in the breadth over against the five and twenty thousand, shall be a profane place for the city, for dwelling, and for suburbs: and the city shall be in the midst thereof.
Hosanna
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Well I left that part out. It's been 20 years since I've been to Tahoe.
DavidTree
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Yes, i do agree that many cities are profane.
Yet there are people in those cities who God will Save, as long as He has His witnesses there preaching.
Frank Russell
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In the same way, God will save some LGBT people as well.
God gives room to exist, and so do we as His ambassadors.
DavidTree
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In direct contrast to God Ordained union between male/female is the condemnation to those who participate in sexual union apart from Male/Female Holy Matrimony.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
Now for the GOOD NEWS
And such were some of you.
But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Frank Russell
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Sounds like a double standard since when we are resurrected we will be like the angels and not be married or given in marriage.
DavidTree
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For years i went to Starbucks for my coffee, mainly because with a SB Gold Card you get Free Refills and points towards Free drinks/food.
In every SB that i visited they had gay men/women working and serving the coffee.
i never treated them as having a physical disease and i was not afraid to interact(conversation) with them.
However, i stopped going for three reasons:
1.) Their coffee is terrible now.
2.) They tightened(CHEAPENED) their point system and it no longer yields the benefits as when first established.
3.) My wife told me to stop going there because of the things which they support.
Now my wife and i enjoy organic whole bean coffee, freshly ground and brewed in a French Press.
DavidTree
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It is a Double Standard.
The First Standard applies here on earth.
The Second HIGHER Standard applies when we are Resurrected into NEW Glorified Bodies.
Frank Russell
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It's a double standard because the resurrected bodies don't have sex.
One group does what ever it wants and lords it over the other group.
The restricted group is expected to act as if they are already in the resurrected bodies.
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