His People He foreknew !

[TomL]

Let me repeat myself.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Revelation 21:14.

Who are the twelve apostles OF THE LAMB?

Let's count them:

12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,
15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,
16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.
Luke 6:12–16.

1. Simon/Peter
2. Andrew
3. James
4. John
5. Philip
6. Bartholomew
7. Matthew
8. Thomas
9. James
10. Simon
11. Judas
12. Judas Iscariot

It says "he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles."

Jesus called them apostles. Now look at what John the Baptist says about Jesus:

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which ||taketh away the sin of the world. John 1:29.

Jesus is called the Lamb of God by John. The twelve disciples Jesus chose are "named apostles" by Jesus.

They are the apostles of the Lamb.

Now, read Revelation 21:14 again

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Revelation 21:13–14.

Those twelve men Jesus chose and "named them apostles" are the apostles of the Lamb.

Judas Iscariot included.

Sorry, but once again you ignore the fact Judas was lost and became the son of perdition and was not mentioned in Revelation.

John 17:12–13 (KJV 1900) — 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

And even the apostles believed a new 12th had to be selected.

Acts 1:15–26 (LEB) — 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (and it was a crowd of persons of about one hundred twenty at the same place) and said, 16 “Men and brothers, it was necessary that the scripture be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit proclaimed beforehand through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus, 17 because he was counted among us and received a share in this ministry.” 18 (Now this man acquired a field for the wages of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines spilled out. 19 And it became known to all who live in Jerusalem, so that that field was called in their own language “Akeldama,” that is, “Field of Blood.”) 20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his residence become deserted, and let there be no one to live in it,’ and, ‘Let another person take his position.’ 21 Therefore it is necessary for one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day on which he was taken up from us—one of these men must become a witness of his resurrection together with us.” 23 And they proposed two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was called Justus) and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show clearly which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to depart to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was added to serve with the eleven apostles.

Judas had lost his position

You are simply assuming what your theology requires while ignoring scripture.

Further quoting

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which ||taketh away the sin of the world. .

Removes your denial of gentile omission.

World does not mean Jews

You cannot even support your view with the verse you quote.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry, but once again you ignore the fact Judas was lost and became the son of perdition and was not mentioned in Revelation.

John 17:12–13 (KJV 1900) — 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

And even the apostles believed a new 12th had to be selected.

Acts 1:15–26 (LEB) — 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (and it was a crowd of persons of about one hundred twenty at the same place) and said, 16 “Men and brothers, it was necessary that the scripture be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit proclaimed beforehand through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus, 17 because he was counted among us and received a share in this ministry.” 18 (Now this man acquired a field for the wages of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines spilled out. 19 And it became known to all who live in Jerusalem, so that that field was called in their own language “Akeldama,” that is, “Field of Blood.”) 20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his residence become deserted, and let there be no one to live in it,’ and, ‘Let another person take his position.’ 21 Therefore it is necessary for one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day on which he was taken up from us—one of these men must become a witness of his resurrection together with us.” 23 And they proposed two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was called Justus) and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show clearly which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to depart to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was added to serve with the eleven apostles.

Judas had lost his position

You are simply assuming what your theology requires while ignoring scripture.

Further quoting

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which ||taketh away the sin of the world. .

Removes your denial of gentile omission.

World does not mean Jews

You cannot even support your view with the verse you quote.

I have you commenting 7 times on 7 different replies. Let me be clear, I have adequately provided Scripture to back my claims. You want to quote NT to me and not address the Old Testament where the subjects original statements begin. I get no sharpening from you because you're unwilling to answer whatI post but regurgitate your crap.
You're a waste of my time and effort because I really do put work in to support my positions and you refuse to respond to what I post. An intelligent person would address my commenats after looking at what I say and seriously look honestly at Scripture to support my comments.
You're not honest nor are you honest with Scripture. I won't be interacting with you anymore.

 

[TomL]

I have you commenting 7 times on 7 different replies. Let me be clear, I have adequately provided Scripture to back my claims. You want to quote NT to me and not address the Old Testament where the subjects original statements begin. I get no sharpening from you because you're unwilling to answer whatI post but regurgitate your crap.
You're a waste of my time and effort because I really do put work in to support my positions and you refuse to respond to what I post. An intelligent person would address my commenats after looking at what I say and seriously look honestly at Scripture to support my comments.
You're not honest nor are you honest with Scripture. I won't be interacting with you anymore.

Sorry no you have ignored scripture, which refutes your theology.

And you failed to deal with the facts stated

Sorry, but once again you ignore the fact Judas was lost and became the son of perdition and was not mentioned in Revelation.

John 17:12–13 (KJV 1900) — 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

And even the apostles believed a new 12th had to be selected.

Acts 1:15–26 (LEB) — 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (and it was a crowd of persons of about one hundred twenty at the same place) and said, 16 “Men and brothers, it was necessary that the scripture be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit proclaimed beforehand through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus, 17 because he was counted among us and received a share in this ministry.” 18 (Now this man acquired a field for the wages of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines spilled out. 19 And it became known to all who live in Jerusalem, so that that field was called in their own language “Akeldama,” that is, “Field of Blood.”) 20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his residence become deserted, and let there be no one to live in it,’ and, ‘Let another person take his position.’ 21 Therefore it is necessary for one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day on which he was taken up from us—one of these men must become a witness of his resurrection together with us.” 23 And they proposed two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was called Justus) and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show clearly which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to depart to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was added to serve with the eleven apostles.

Judas had lost his position

You are simply assuming what your theology requires while ignoring scripture.

Further quoting

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which ||taketh away the sin of the world. .

Removes your denial of gentile omission.

World does not mean Jews

Hello, yet another one of your assumptions has been refuted, and

You cannot even support your view with the verse you quote.

 

[brightfame52]

God to foreknow !

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The foreknowledge of God has always been a debatable subject, especially for those who hold to the Arminian view where the idea that God predestines someone is reprehensible. The Bible is very clear on this subject and the only way someone can be confused on this is by intentionally twisting the meaning of the words. This verse is one of the most twisted by the free will camp. I have read people claim that the way is predestined but not the person. I have also heard that this verse is not teaching salvation by predestination. Both of these are seriously wrong. First of all, the question must be asked. When did God first know us? He first knew us when He wrote our names in the Lamb’s Book of Life before the foundation of the world.

(Rev 13:8 KJV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

(Rev 17:8 KJV) The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

If you notice in these two Revelation verses, we read that the names of the Redeemed were written in the Lamb’s Book of Life and it was done before the world was created. The word “predestinate” is the Greek word “proorizo” which carries with it the meaning of “selected beforehand, appoint or determine beforehand.” Now this verse states that we are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son. The word “conform” in the Greek carries with it the meaning of “having the same form.” Now how can a person be conformed to the image of His Son unless they first become saved. We read above in Revelation that we are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life before the world was formed. This means the Elect of God was predestined to become saved at some time in their life and that salvation is to image the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ is the “firstborn” among the brethren. This means that He was the first to rise from the dead to never die again. While we are on this earth, we image Christ in our souls when we are saved because we receive our resurrected souls. In our soul existence we too will never die. The physical body will die but the resurrected soul lives on eternally. On the last day when we receive our new bodies we will then be like Christ, in that we will never die again. So before one can be conformed to the image of Christ, they must become saved, and the Elect of God are the ones who were written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. We also image Christ in his characteristics because we are given the mind of Christ when we are saved. https://www.scionofzion.com/romans8_21-30.htm