He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[Titus]

he knew exactly the inference of water to flesh

Give scripture for this water to flesh statement.
How do you reason this is Nicodemus' understanding of Jesus' teaching?

 

[Doug Brents]

You said the Holy Spirit takes our sins away in baptism.
You have failed to give one verse that teaches this.

Only Christ's shed blood removes sin.
Give a verse that says otherwise.
You cannot.
You are teaching heresy.

There is only one savior: God. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are ONE. Not three. Yes, Jesus is the one who died for our sins, and He was the Man who was also God who became the sacrifice for our sins. And Scripture says, as I have pointed out, that the Spirit is the one doing the work through the power of the blood of Jesus to remove our sin.

Proof you don't know what you are saying.
The Spirit working in salvation DOES NOT MAKE THE SPIRIT THE PERSON IN THE GODHEAD THAT TAKES OUR SINS AWAY.

No more than the Father is the person in the Godhead that takes our sins away.

They all work together in providing a way to be saved but only ONE is the Savior. Only ONE removes our sin with His blood.

Precisely, all work together because all three are ONE.

Matthew 22:29

Your opinion is noted, but shown to be false, and so is ignored.

 

[Titus]

There is only one savior: God. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are ONE. Not three. Yes, Jesus is the one who died for our sins, and He was the Man who was also God who became the sacrifice for our sins. And Scripture says, as I have pointed out, that the Spirit is the one doing the work through the power of the blood of Jesus to remove our sin.

You gave zero scripture that says in baptism the Holy Spirit takes our sins away. Because you cannot.

Precisely, all work together because all three are ONE

Again no Scripture that says in baptism the Holy Spirit forgives sins. Because you cannot.

Your opinion is noted, but shown to be false, and so is ignored

Opinions are shown when you cannot give any Scripture for your beliefs.
Again no Scripture given that the Holy Spirit takes our sins away in baptism. Because you cannot.

. It is in/during baptism that the Holy Spirit removes sin,

Heritical man made doctrine that cannot be backed up with book, chapter and verse.

 

[Titus]

the Spirit is the one doing the work through the power of the blood of Jesus to remove our sin.

So you admit the Holy Spirit did the work to remove our sins.
Give Scripture that it is the Spirit's work and not Jesus' work on the cross that washes our sins away?

 

[Alive]

Before Jesus’ public ministry began, John the Baptist contrasted his own water-baptism with the Spirit-baptism which the Holy Spirit would administer.

I have baptized you with water; but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit Mark 1:8

Before His ascension, looking on to Pentecost, Jesus drew the same contrast:

John baptized with water, but before many days you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit” Acts 1:5

 

[Doug Brents]

Before Jesus’ public ministry began, John the Baptist contrasted his own water-baptism with the Spirit-baptism which the Holy Spirit would administer.

I have baptized you with water; but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit Mark 1:8

Before His ascension, looking on to Pentecost, Jesus drew the same contrast:

John baptized with water, but before many days you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit” Acts 1:5

This contrast does not indicate anything regarding salvation and baptism. John's baptism was not for salvation, and the Holy Spirit's baptism of fire was not for salvation.

It is water baptism, the only baptism of any relevance to the NT Christ follower (Eph 4:5, 1 Pet 3:21, John 3:5, Matt 28:19, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16) that is connected with salvation.

 

[MTMattie]

Give scripture for this water to flesh statement.
How do you reason this is Nicodemus' understanding of Jesus' teaching?

Pay attention. Especially to verses 5 and 6

Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews ;

2. this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these that You do unless God is with him.”

3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 .Nicodemus *said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”

5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Now I will stop here to comment for there is no reason to go beyond this point. Nick wants to know how to make it to heaven and Jesus tells him he needs to be born again. and when Nick believes that Jesus meant from his mother Nick wants to know how.. Jesus further . You need to be born of water and you need to be born of the spirit. He never tells Nick a water baptism is needed. Even though the Pharisees knew that John was Baptizing people... and even came to see him. Not to be baptised but I believe to observe. See John 3:7

And that which is born of the flesh, and of the Spirit = born again.

There is no water mentioned for this.

Jesus does continue...
8. The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9. Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10. Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things?"

If , as a Pharisee, Nick knew about baptism, beyond mikvehs .. Jesus would never have had to say this to him.

11Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

12. If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

13 No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

14. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;

and He finishes with.
15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

So allow me to paraphrase Jesus a bit and say..."
“Are you a quasi- teacher of the four corners of the Holy scriptures and do not understand these things as Jesus has said?"

Then it is obvious you are clueless of what being born again spiritually means and how that applies to our eternities.

 

[Titus]

Pay attention. Especially to verses 5 and 6

Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews ;

2. this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these that You do unless God is with him.”

3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 .Nicodemus *said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”

5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Now I will stop here to comment for there is no reason to go beyond this point. Nick wants to know how to make it to heaven and Jesus tells him he needs to be born again. and when Nick believes that Jesus meant from his mother Nick wants to know how.. Jesus further . You need to be born of water and you need to be born of the spirit. He never tells Nick a water baptism is needed. Even though the Pharisees knew that John was Baptizing people... and even came to see him. Not to be baptised but I believe to observe. See John 3:7

And that which is born of the flesh, and of the Spirit = born again.

There is no water mentioned for this.

Jesus does continue...
8. The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9. Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10. Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things?"

If , as a Pharisee, Nick knew about baptism, beyond mikvehs .. Jesus would never have had to say this to him.

11Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

12. If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

13 No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

14. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;

and He finishes with.
15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

So allow me to paraphrase Jesus a bit and say..."
“Are you a quasi- teacher of the four corners of the Holy scriptures and do not understand these things as Jesus has said?"

Then it is obvious you are clueless of what being born again spiritually means and how that applies to our eternities.

What's the water?