He that believes and is not water baptised is saved
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Truther
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I would not try to help you if I didn’t love you. I would just mind my own business.
That is certainly debatable. Calvinist election is apart from Christ. Calvinist regeneration which the bible says saves is also apart from Christ
as all spiritual blessing related to salvation are in Christ
Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
and there is no life apart from faith in Christ
John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
You prove my point you have men being born again apart from Christ
if you believe
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
The issue is salvation
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 6:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Romans 10:9–13 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
as for reconciliation there is still
2 Corinthians 5:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Only if you believe
Romans 4:1–5 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
You have not shown how your theology is contrary to Eph 1:3
dwight92070
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So you basically admit that it really doesn't matter what a person believes in their heart - just as long as they get baptized.
That is some magical water
Truther
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You must believe to qualify yourself to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Fitzpatrick
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The thing is they're not on this form lifting up their beliefs and telling people that don't believe in them they're not saved. When you tell people they can only get their sins removed by being baptized in the name of Jesus you're preaching of false gospel it's untrue and can be very destructive. so as much as you would like us to focus on Catholics it's a little too late for that. The cat's out of the bag.
Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to keep running your mouth and remove all doubt.
We made your bed you lay in it.
Believe what?
Fitzpatrick
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It makes really good Kool-Aid also.
Fitzpatrick
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He's moving the Goal Posts.
Um this is the RCC view on water baptism
By baptism, God purifies us from sin. Baptism is the sacrament of faith which has the Risen Christ as its source, and it is the offer of salvation for all people. Intimately linked to Confirmation and to Eucharist, Baptism is, with these two sacraments, Christian Initiation.
Guidelines for Baptism in the Roman Catholic Church
It bears some resemblance to your view
Fitzpatrick
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Now you're getting desperate
Fitzpatrick
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It's thrown out there just to be a distraction. Bait and switch
I guess
Jay
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Now let me see if I have this right... You say Bible Commentaries written by highly trained professionals are bad. but junk YouTube videos are what we need.
I fail to see the logic in that
Truther
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Here is my church…
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls
Truther
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As a soul winner. Correct
Truther
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The RCC banned Jesus name from baptism. Then banned repentance from baptism.
Her constituents omitted baptism completely.
They are lower than the RCC.
Truther
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Nope Acts 2:38 is the only way to score
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