He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[brightfame52]

After they are the Father's sheep they are given to christ

John 17:6 (NASB 2020) — 6 “I have revealed Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have followed Your word.

Always have been, even before they believe, so He says some believe not because they are not of His Sheep, which indicates being a Sheep first will cause you to believe Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Also He said that He had Sheep but they have not yet heard His voice bu they shall Vs 16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[TomL]

Now you’re finally seeing it. Jesus came up straight way out of the water. When the Ethiopian eunuch was immersed, he did also. Edit by admin

But you are not

It does not state from under the water. You have no proof at all for submersion under the water.

 

[brightfame52]

I'm not saying this is the case in this situation but there are clues. Many people have what are called learning disabilities, and its not as bad as it sounds. It doesn't make them stupid or anything, it can mean you may need to look into what counseling services are available to you. You could be dealing with depression or anxiety due to stress, which can cause slugging thinking, difficulty learning new things, difficulty concentrating, repeating the same thing over and over. Bottom line it's hard to live with someone that has this condition because they don't understand they have learning disabilities and they think they know it all.

Maybe they shouldn't be on a discussion forum then

 

[TomL]

Dont have to appear for it to still be the Sheep, Sheep appeared in Jn 10, that laid the foundation as to who Jesus draws to Himself by His Death. When He says He must bring His Sheep in Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Well that's relatively the same as must draw in Jn 12:32

Actually it does

all men has no meaning of "other sheep"

 

[Administrator]

Maybe they shouldn't be on a discussion forum then

All are welcome here. The only thing we ask is follow the rules.

 

[TomL]

Always have been, even before they believe, so He says some believe not because they are not of His Sheep, which indicates being a Sheep first will cause you to believe Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Also He said that He had Sheep but they have not yet heard His voice bu they shall Vs 16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Sorry you falsify scripture

John 10:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

if they are not following, they are not his sheep

 

[TomL]

Always have been, even before they believe, so He says some believe not because they are not of His Sheep, which indicates being a Sheep first will cause you to believe Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

If they were the Father's sheep they would have been made Christ's sheep

but they were not the Father's sheep

 

[Fitzpatrick]

Maybe they shouldn't be on a discussion forum then

That's not my call

 

[Bubba]

Amen! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:24-28) No supplements needed.

That's funny I just got finished taking all my supplements

 

[TomL]

Was Cornelius saved before Peter showed up?

No

Acts 11:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

 

[Bubba]

Maybe they shouldn't be on a discussion forum then

Maybe they're not taking the right supplements. They may need a double Dose of Ginkgo Biloba.

 

[TomL]

That's not my call

Nor his/hers

 

[Fitzpatrick]

I don't know if anyone's aware of this but environmentalists are up in arms against water baptism.

Baptism is a religious rite performed in various denominations of Christianity, and it typically involves the use of water to symbolize purification and rebirth. As such, it does not have any direct impact on the environment. However, certain practices associated with baptism, such as the use of large amounts of water for immersion baptism or the disposal of baptismal garments, could have negative environmental effects.

For instance, the use of large amounts of water for immersion baptism could lead to water wastage, especially in areas where water is scarce or in drought conditions. Similarly, the use of disposable baptismal garments made from synthetic materials could contribute to pollution and waste, as these materials are not biodegradable.

Overall, the environmental impact of baptism is likely to be small, and any negative effects can be mitigated by adopting more sustainable practices.
eartheasy.com

 

[Truther]

Why water baptism does not save you​

Water baptism is a significant practice in Christianity, but it is not the means of salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ, not through water baptism. Here are some reasons why water baptism does not save:

1. Salvation is by faith, not works: The Bible is clear that salvation is a gift of God’s grace, received through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9). Water baptism is a work, not a means of salvation.

2. Water baptism is a symbol, not a requirement: Water baptism is a symbol of our union with Christ, but it is not a requirement for salvation. Many people have been saved without being baptized, and baptism does not guarantee salvation.

3. The Bible does not teach baptismal regeneration: The Bible does not teach that water baptism regenerates or saves the soul. Instead, it is a public declaration of our faith in Jesus Christ.

4. The focus is on the heart, not the water: The Bible emphasizes the importance of a changed heart, not the water. Jesus said, “You must be born again” (John 3:7), not “You must be baptized again.”

5. The New Testament emphasizes faith, not baptism: The New Testament emphasizes the importance of faith in Jesus Christ, not baptism. Jesus said, “Whoever believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall live” (John 11:25).

6. Baptism is a response to salvation, not a means of salvation: Baptism is a response to our salvation, not a means of salvation. We are saved by faith, and then we are baptized as a public declaration of our faith.

7. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift, not a reward: Salvation is a gift of God’s grace, not a reward for good works, including baptism.

8. The focus is on Jesus, not the water: The Bible emphasizes the importance of Jesus Christ, not the water. Jesus is the one who saves us, not the water.

9. The Bible does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation: The Bible does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation. Many people have been saved without being baptized, and baptism does not guarantee salvation.

10. The Bible teaches that salvation is a personal relationship with Jesus: Salvation is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, not a ritual or ceremony. Water baptism is a symbol of our union with Christ, but it is not the means of salvation.
In conclusion, water baptism is an important practice in Christianity, but it is not the means of salvation. Salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ, and baptism is a response to our salvation, not a means of salvation.

gty.org

KJ21. The like figure to this, even baptism, doth also now save us….


Down goes your paper tower

 

[Truther]

Don't you pay attention ? I just went over that with you

Cornelius was doing alms and good works, which got God‘s attention long before Peter showed up. You are saying that saved him. So why did Peter show up?

 

[Truther]

But you are not

It does not state from under the water. You have no proof at all for submersion under the water.

Maybe they had an innertube or arm floaties?

 

[Truther]

No

Acts 11:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Thank you.

 

[Truther]

I don't know if anyone's aware of this but environmentalists are up in arms against water baptism.

Baptism is a religious rite performed in various denominations of Christianity, and it typically involves the use of water to symbolize purification and rebirth. As such, it does not have any direct impact on the environment. However, certain practices associated with baptism, such as the use of large amounts of water for immersion baptism or the disposal of baptismal garments, could have negative environmental effects.

For instance, the use of large amounts of water for immersion baptism could lead to water wastage, especially in areas where water is scarce or in drought conditions. Similarly, the use of disposable baptismal garments made from synthetic materials could contribute to pollution and waste, as these materials are not biodegradable.

Overall, the environmental impact of baptism is likely to be small, and any negative effects can be mitigated by adopting more sustainable practices.
eartheasy.com

Hahaha

 

[Lymphatic]

I don't know if anyone's aware of this but environmentalists are up in arms against water baptism.

Baptism is a religious rite performed in various denominations of Christianity, and it typically involves the use of water to symbolize purification and rebirth. As such, it does not have any direct impact on the environment. However, certain practices associated with baptism, such as the use of large amounts of water for immersion baptism or the disposal of baptismal garments, could have negative environmental effects.

For instance, the use of large amounts of water for immersion baptism could lead to water wastage, especially in areas where water is scarce or in drought conditions. Similarly, the use of disposable baptismal garments made from synthetic materials could contribute to pollution and waste, as these materials are not biodegradable.

Overall, the environmental impact of baptism is likely to be small, and any negative effects can be mitigated by adopting more sustainable practices.
eartheasy.com

Don't forget the Dark Side of industrialization and those little plastic communion cups.

 

[Lymphatic]

KJ21. The like figure to this, even baptism, doth also now save us….


Down goes your paper tower

Grab it and wipe your mug.