He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

Truther said:
KJ21. The like figure to this, even baptism, doth also now save us…..

This verse trumps your statement
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That doesn't make sense. Sounds like you're playing cards. I have a question for you I know you love those. Whose picture is on the king of hearts?
 
Julie said:
Wrong, More like according to the way you misinterpret scripture.
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Julie, the Scriptures prove your statement false. Salvation is received when we are "buried with Him in baptism, in which" we were also resurrected with Him through faith (Col 2:12). Salvation is received when we are "buried with Him through baptism into death" (Rom 6:4). If we have not been baptized, then we have not died to sin. If we have not died to sin, then we cannot live through Christ. Salvation is received when we have our sins washed away, which happens when we are "baptized calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16). Salvation is received when we are baptized as Peter says in 1 Pet 3:21.
 
Julie said:
That doesn't make sense. Sounds like you're playing cards. I have a question for you I know you love those. Whose picture is on the king of hearts?
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Do you understand this verse?

KJ21. The like figure to this, even baptism, doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward .
 
Hosanna said:
You haven't figured that out yet? You need to get some meat in your diet you're still lapping up milk.

Who did Gideon call dogs in Judges 7:5-6 ?
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I figured it out, they’re all products of the Catholic Church. Anybody that does not baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins is Catholic.
 
Doug Brents said:
Julie, the Scriptures prove your statement false. Salvation is received when we are "buried with Him in baptism, in which" we were also resurrected with Him through faith (Col 2:12). Salvation is received when we are "buried with Him through baptism into death" (Rom 6:4). If we have not been baptized, then we have not died to sin. If we have not died to sin, then we cannot live through Christ. Salvation is received when we have our sins washed away, which happens when we are "baptized calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16). Salvation is received when we are baptized as Peter says in 1 Pet 3:21.
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I can't go for that. Romans 6 is not talking about water baptism. it's talking about What happens symbolically when we believe in Christ. It's Paul explaining salvation not water baptism.
 
What is the proper way for a person to be baptized? Is there a specific mode of baptism that is essential to the authenticity of the sacrament? Of all the debates that have attended the sacrament of baptism, the question of the proper mode has become and remained one of the most persistent and divisive. Let's talk about that.
 
Doug Brents said:
That is good, at least.

LOL, Love the song, and the artist, but when considering God, two out of three is very, very bad. If your wife was 99.999% loyal to you, would you count her as true? No, even 99.999% loyalty is the same as 100% disloyalty. So 66.6% loyalty is pathetic.

If that was what Scripture says, I would join you in that belief. But that is not what Scripture says.
Rom 6:1-7 - "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 Far from it! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for the one who has died is freed from sin."
Col 2:11-14 - "and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings, 14 having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross."
Both of these passages state clearly and without ambiguity that salvation occurs during baptism. For it is in baptism that we die to sin, it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit circumcises our sin from us, it is in baptism that we join Jesus in death and are raised with Him to new life. We did not die to sin before baptism, and then outwardly show the inward change through being baptized. These changes take place during baptism.

If Scripture is a "bad analogy" then I will take a bad analogy every day and twice on Sunday. Yes, the Israelites were terrible in their obedience to God, but we are no different. The analogy stands because it is God's Word to us about how He deals with His children.

You are absolutely correct, the heart must be right for the action to have any significance. But without the action, the heart condition has no significance either. Both are required. If there is no real belief in the heart then all you get is wet. But if there is not action, then the belief is not real, it is dead, fake, meaningless.
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Okay let's go with a good analogy. Baptism is an outward expression of an inward conviction. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
 
Julie said:
I can't go for that. Romans 6 is not talking about water baptism. it's talking about What happens symbolically when we believe in Christ. It's Paul explaining salvation not water baptism.
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Are Romans six, are we buried with Christ by the Holy Spirit?
 
brightfame52 said:
Okay if you say so. What did Christ do for you ? Since He didnt save you from your sins ?
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I asked a minister, what must I do?
He answered and said to me, repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins…

Does this look familiar to you?
 
Truther said:
I asked a minister, what must I do?
He answered and said to me, repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins…

Does this look familiar to you?
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Once again what did Jesus do for you since he didn't save you from your sins?
 
brightfame52 said:
Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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You still ignored the condition

Romans 11:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now as in the past there is a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
 
Doug Brents said:
Julie, the Scriptures prove your statement false. Salvation is received when we are "buried with Him in baptism, in which" we were also resurrected with Him through faith (Col 2:12). Salvation is received when we are "buried with Him through baptism into death" (Rom 6:4). If we have not been baptized, then we have not died to sin. If we have not died to sin, then we cannot live through Christ. Salvation is received when we have our sins washed away, which happens when we are "baptized calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16). Salvation is received when we are baptized as Peter says in 1 Pet 3:21.
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Christ was not buried in water

There is no water in Rom 6:4

Whoever calls upon the lord will be saved
 

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