He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[TomL]

They're totally separate things.

The word “gospel” simply means “good news,” but we must understand that the gospel of Jesus Christ is not just good news, it is the good news. While we are all sinners (those who have failed to live up to God’s perfect standard), Jesus has provided a way for sinners to be pardoned instead of punished. Through Christ’s death and resurrection, we can have a relationship with God that transforms our lives forever when we place our trust in Jesus alone. Believe the good news that god loves you and wants to save me. Hold on to that and share it with others.

As for tulips, They do decompose and do need to be thrown out. They attract insects.

He/she has another gospel. It is not christocentric but centered unconditional election

 

[brightfame52]

That he himself determined should be sinners according to your theology.

He sure did determine it. Before man sinned, Christ must die for sin. Who determined that ?

 

[brightfame52]

Again

There is no grace in determining most of mankind to eternal torment

You dislike TULIP you dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace

 

[brightfame52]

They're totally separate things.

The word “gospel” simply means “good news,” but we must understand that the gospel of Jesus Christ is not just good news, it is the good news. While we are all sinners (those who have failed to live up to God’s perfect standard), Jesus has provided a way for sinners to be pardoned instead of punished. Through Christ’s death and resurrection, we can have a relationship with God that transforms our lives forever when we place our trust in Jesus alone. Believe the good news that god loves you and wants to save me. Hold on to that and share it with others.

As for tulips, They do decompose and do need to be thrown out. They attract insects.

They are inseparable, so you throwing out the Baby with the bath water !

 

[TomL]

You dislike TULIP you dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace

There is no grace in determining most of mankind to eternal torment

 

[Doug Brents]

Well we can agree on, Repentance And Jesus being our lord.

That is good, at least.

But not on baptism. Hey, Two out of three ain't bad.

LOL, Love the song, and the artist, but when considering God, two out of three is very, very bad. If your wife was 99.999% loyal to you, would you count her as true? No, even 99.999% loyalty is the same as 100% disloyalty. So 66.6% loyalty is pathetic.

I believe in baptism I just don't believe it saves you I think everyone should be baptized as an outward expression to an inward change. They've become A new creation And they are being obedient by getting baptized after they are saved.

If that was what Scripture says, I would join you in that belief. But that is not what Scripture says.
Rom 6:1-7 - "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 Far from it! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for the one who has died is freed from sin."
Col 2:11-14 - "and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings, 14 having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross."
Both of these passages state clearly and without ambiguity that salvation occurs during baptism. For it is in baptism that we die to sin, it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit circumcises our sin from us, it is in baptism that we join Jesus in death and are raised with Him to new life. We did not die to sin before baptism, and then outwardly show the inward change through being baptized. These changes take place during baptism.

The Israelites were too tired after walking around in the wilderness for 40 years on an 11-day journey to do any work salvation. Plus when Moses went up on the mountain to get the law their work salvation didn't work out too good for them there.

It's really a bad analogy because of the Israelites did terrible Start to finish. They even got our lord falsely charged and when pilot tried to turn them loose they yelled crucify him. So yeah bad analogy.

If Scripture is a "bad analogy" then I will take a bad analogy every day and twice on Sunday. Yes, the Israelites were terrible in their obedience to God, but we are no different. The analogy stands because it is God's Word to us about how He deals with His children.

They have to be willing to believe on him for salvation. He looks at the heart, Do they really believe. Anyone can walk Down to the Altar and say the Sinners prayer and not really believe it from your hearts. Same with baptism.

You are absolutely correct, the heart must be right for the action to have any significance. But without the action, the heart condition has no significance either. Both are required. If there is no real belief in the heart then all you get is wet. But if there is not action, then the belief is not real, it is dead, fake, meaningless.

 

[TomL]

He sure did determine it. Before man sinned, Christ must die for sin. Who determined that ?

According to your theology God determined the fall

 

[brightfame52]

There is no grace in determining most of mankind to eternal torment

There is Justice:

You dislike TULIP you dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace

 

[brightfame52]

According to your theology God determined the fall

Who determined the sin of Adam if God didnt ?

 

[TomL]

Who determined the sin of Adam if God didnt ?

Adam

On the other hand Your god is the author of sin

 

[brightfame52]

Adam

On the other hand Your god is the author of sin

Who determined Adam ?

 

[TomL]

There is Justice:

You dislike TULIP you dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace

Still no justice in punishing men for what you caused them to do

Your theology makes God unjust

 

[Doug Brents]

What is the name of the son per Matt 28:19?

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"
Hmm, let's see, is there a name given for anyone in this verse? Nope, Matt 28:19 does not give a name for the Son. It gives three titles for the three parts of the Godhead: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

Still no justice in punishing men for what you caused them to do

Your theology makes God unjust

There is Justice:

You dislike TULIP you dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace

 

[TomL]

Who determined Adam ?

Creation did not cause Adam's choice to sin

 

[brightfame52]

Creation did not cause Adam's choice to sin

Who determined Adam ?

 

[TomL]

There is Justice:

You dislike TULIP you dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace

No grace at all for the mass of mankind your theology teaches God determined to hell apart from anything they might do

 

[TomL]

Who determined Adam ?

Still not the cause of Adam's sin

 

[brightfame52]

No grace at all for the mass of mankind your theology teaches God determined to hell apart from anything they might do

There is Justice:

You dislike TULIP you dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace

 

[brightfame52]

Still not the cause of Adam's sin

You scared to say ? I thought you was bold

Who determined Adam ?