Eternally-Grateful
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this could be also yes..many reasons.
Gods Inability to save
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MTMattie
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As many reasons as the diverse beliefs in this forum (and others)
Eternally-Grateful
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sad but true
GOD told Rebecca they were trying to crush each other to pieces over who would be first born and the leader of the family. That defines what they knew pretty well. Since this activity is sinful, they were sinners in the womb and so enslaved to sin, all their thoughts colored by their sin.
So you say...but why do you deny Psalms as scripture? 2 Timothy 3:16-17, which states that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."
Sorry - I can't follow you in this....
Jn 3:18
Berean Standard Bible
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned but they all surely die for their sins, elect and reprobate equally. Spiritual death is therefore the death for those who have never believed, the reprobate only. Death comes to all sinners and sinners only or where is the justice??
But, but, but saving faith a gift of grace from GOD against their sinful will !!! If they are saved by their own will, choice, then they saved themselves and can boast! Your statement seems to be wobbly at best.
Two questions if I may.
If Christ paid it all then what do you still owe?
When is one given to the Son by the Father?
Eternally-Grateful
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It is the work of God we believe. God gets the glory.
All we have to do is in faith receive his gift
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Doug Brents
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What you describe is civil war (two people contesting over a single government). But that is not what God told Rebekah was going on.
"Two nations are in your womb;
And two peoples will be separated from your body;
And one people will be stronger than the other;
And the older will serve the younger."
He told her that the leaders of two separate nations were within her. And they were fighting even within her. But that does not mean that they were knowledgeable of government, or sin, or any such thing.
I didn't deny Psalms as Scripture. I said it is not a good place to go for the foundation of your doctrine. Because it is very highly figurative, poetic, and flowery in the language used.
John 5:24 says that those who have faith in Jesus will pass from death to life. They were dead and come back to life through faith in Jesus.
1 John 3:14 says the same.
Eph 2:1-5 says that we were dead in our trespasses but were resurrected through Christ.
Whoever believes in Him was condemned at one time, but they are no longer condemned, because they are in Christ Jesus. Spiritual death takes place the instant we first sin. And we remain spiritually dead until we surrender to Christ. The righteous and the unrighteous die physically all the time (there have only been two people who did not die physically: Elijah and Enoch. Even Jesus died physically). And all have sinned (except Jesus), so all have died spiritually (even Jesus became sin for us (literally He took our sin into His person), so He died spiritually on the cross as well).
Doublethink refers to the act of simultaneously accepting two contradictory beliefs as true. It's the ability to hold conflicting ideas in one's mind and accept them both,
Eternally-Grateful
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Sorry bro but the tax collector showing to call out to Jesus was not him saving himself
The Pharisee choosing to pump his chest and not call out on the other hand kept him condemned
Jesus said he who believes is not condemned
Eternally-Grateful
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@TedT its sad you think God loving me enough to offer me his salvation is a sad thing.
Riiiiiight, fighting over politics with no knowledge of political things.... got it.
But, I agree, most sinners before having their eyes opened to their sin do not know they are sinners but they obviously thought their brother was wrong and they were right to pursue the other's sinful death...for this vaguely unknown political future (?).
Doug Brents
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What politics? They were fighting between themselves. They would not become nations until after their deaths. Even when Jacob went to Egypt, he had only 70 people with him. That isn't a nation. You are extrapolating "politics" out of sibling rivalry.
ImCo:
being brought to the point of feeling it necessary to call out to the saviour is very much a part of GOD's grace, and is not within the ordinary ability of a sinner who's love for sin has him to deny the truth, both of his sinfulness and the need for a saviour, like men who know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.
Eternally-Grateful
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I never said it was our ability or own strength. It’s the work of God
ImCo,
an evil person cannot accept the Spirit of GOD by his own will. His acceptance of GOD's call to faith by faith is by GOD's will, not his own. He has no boast in the least because he has NO involvement in his own salvation in any way ! even by accepting it!!!
The wicked reject the truth, knowing they are damned BECAUSE THEY ARE GIVEN NO GRACE TO BELIEVE or to accept the truth they know to be truth over the sin they love, Romans 1...
Eternally-Grateful
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Then God is a liar
It is Gods will that all come to repentance.
Accepting someone salvation is not somethign we can boast in, unless we worked ourself
I was wicked. Yet God drew me for months.. until I finally called out..
MTMattie
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Your faith. As in "We walk by Faith and not by sight" "And without faith it is impossible to please God."
Then you misinterpret what HE has said...
