Gods Inability to save

no. In adam all die

not in sin all die..

No. do you ever listen to anyone

Everyone is dead in adam, the human race is placed in adam. this way God can remove the personal sin issue, die on the cross for it. And then offer salvation to everyone (in Christ shall all be made alive)

we are saved by grace,, But God does not force us to receive his gift. He offers it to us, but demands we repent and recieve it in faith..
EG
You're saying that personal sin is not an issue.

As I've stated many times....your theology leads to statements like this.

Statements that make mockery out of the word of God
and out of the teachings of Christ....

Who taught behavior for His entire time in ministering!
He did NOT teach Faith Only.
 
Your opinion, for I have none. But do you think when they were alive before coming to be men that they asked to be born?
Ummm, for me, I don't think so...especially once we knew this was a prison planet for the worst of the worst, Rev 12:4-9, even if it did have a rehab centre in it.
 
And those who came to earth were sinners at the moment of conception or birth?
ImCo:
All those who came to earth had chosen by their free will to rebel against their GOD's command before the foundation of the world and so they were sinners since just before the creation of the physical world, which we all saw, Job 38:7 and knew it was the proof of HIS divinity and eternal power as per Rom 1:20 !!!

Only sinners are sown into the world of mankind...
 
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Dogmatic platitude?
When I get my computer back...I'll be posting as to WHY babies are not responsible for sin.
I don't contend that babies are responsible for all sin, only for their own sinfulness...!

I look forward to your insight...but I do wish you would also apply it to the verses I have already used to support my faith in PCE. I do honestly know church dogma already.
 
I don't contend that babies are responsible for all sin, only for their own sinfulness...!

I look forward to your insight...but I do wish you would also apply it to the verses I have already used to support my faith in PCE. I do honestly know church dogma already.
I can't type on this thing...

The bible teaches that we are each responsible for our own sins.

BUT I realize that the verses I would post will be of no usefulness.
Because
You HAVE stated that this is your belief.

Replying to your verses requires TYPING....
maybe tomorrow...
Sorry.
 
ImCo:
All those who came to earth had chosen by their free will to rebel against their GOD's command before the foundation of the world and so they were sinners since just before the creation of the physical world, which we all saw, Job 38:7 and knew it was the proof of HIS divinity and eternal power as per Rom 1:20 !!!

Only sinners are sown into the world of mankind...
Why did God send only sinners into this world?
 
EG
You're saying that personal sin is not an issue.
it was an issue until the cross.
As I've stated many times....your theology leads to statements like this.
as I have said many times, your inability to understand what happened on the cross is the issue. Not my statements
Statements that make mockery out of the word of God
and out of the teachings of Christ....
I am not mocking god by saying his death is insufficient sis. You need to look inside
Who taught behavior for His entire time in ministering!
He did NOT teach Faith Only.
There you go again with your total inability to understand what people say

I am not against behavior.

when your ready to give up this strawman and talk about the cross let me know
 
ImCo:
All those who came to earth had chosen by their free will to rebel against their GOD's command before the foundation of the world and so they were sinners since just before the creation of the physical world, which we all saw, Job 38:7 and knew it was the proof of HIS divinity and eternal power as per Rom 1:20 !!!

Only sinners are sown into the world of mankind...
FYI. This is above my pay grade of comprehension..........
 
Why did God send only sinners into this world?
Well, the holy and elect angels live with HIM in paradise until we are sanctified enough to marry HIM and join HIS heavenly family.

We know that some of the angels do come to earth to do a job for YHWH, especially since the word angel actually is a job description, not a reference to a type of being or a race of beings.

And, outside of HIS call to duty, what non-sinful spirit would want to come to earth with all its sin and ugliness when all of Paradise and the rest of the created universe is their playground??
 
FYI. This is above my pay grade of comprehension..........
Sincerely, it is not a matter of a lesser intellectual acuity but only a matter of having ingested 0rthodox teaching about our supposed creation and fall that is too ingrained to be easily passed over and a new thought considered.
 
YES Presby.
Jesus died for ALL MEN.

ALL.
Even those who never come to believe.

Please don't change the subject.


Have you figured out why all men are not saved if it's what a sovereign God desires??
So Christ actually died for those who were already lost at the time of His death? He is their saviour? So they could be saved at some point in the future? PLEASE actually address my questions.

You question assumes your understanding of the word all which you have not established yet and refuse to.
 
Except they have chosen by their free will to rebel against their GOD.

You discount babies too much...

GOD told Rebecca that Jacob and Esau knew enough about the nature of Hebrew politics to fight each other (to actually try to crush each other to pieces)...
Jacob and Esau didn't know anything about "Hebrew politics". They fought each other as rivals, not because they knew or understood right and wrong.
John knew Mary's voice when he was in the womb...
Again, he recognized the Spirit of God in Jesus, but he did not yet know right vs wrong.
And: we all can learn wisdom and faith while still in the womb:
Ps 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

6 Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;
you taught me wisdom in that secret place.
Psalms is not the place to go to get doctrinal foundations.
If we can learn wisdom and faith in the womb we can also reject wisdom and faith in the womb, ie, sin, since we are sinful at conception, though I contend, not BY our conception.
Being sinful at conception is an exaggeration on the Psalmist's part.
ALSO: death is the wages for sin. This means that death proves sinfulness or Jesus was babbling when He told us this truth.
The death spoken of here is spiritual death, not physical.
 
So Christ actually died for those who were already lost at the time of His death? He is their saviour? So they could be saved at some point in the future? PLEASE actually address my questions.

You question assumes your understanding of the word all which you have not established yet and refuse to.
Just my 2 cents and a slightly different angle to help you get to where you should be by now.

Jesus died for all men. TRUE.

But Jesus' death was for a ransom, if I can describe it that way, because Scripture repeatedly uses the concept of “ransom” to describe how Jesus’ sacrificial death pays the debt humanity owes because of sin.

But if one does not have the FAITH... BELIEF in who Jesus is and what He has done therein lies the problem because they then shall not be one of Jesus sheep.

Remember when Jesus said he was sent for only the lost sheep of Israel.. Guess what. Not all of the lost followed Him, even at that point.

This is truly simplicity at its finest because Jesus was sent to be our.... yours, @GodsGrace and even my savior . The HMMM... can I call them invitations went out, and it was up to each to accept or reject.

Jesus said in John 6 :37 " All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away"

That does not mean that whoever God predestined from before time but it means that we with the faith God will give to the Son
and the ransom will be considered paid on the cross.

There are those, even to this day that want no part of that. You could drag them to face Jesus on the cross and they will turn their backs.... One did that we know of.... The one thief. Yet the other embraced Him.

Just awe-inspiring beautiful simplicity in the Fathers plan. It does not take an Einstein, rocket scientist, or even an Elon Musk to understand.

The minds of children are clear ... why do ours get so muddled when we grow up.... correction... we never grow up, we age?

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@MTMattie

Jesus died for all men. TRUE.

But Jesus' death was for a ransom, if I can describe it that way, because Scripture repeatedly uses the concept of “ransom” to describe how Jesus’ sacrificial death pays the debt humanity owes because of sin.

He died for all the ransomed and the ransomed are saved. Thats what a ransom does ! Isa 35 10

And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
 
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