God's attribute of Justice demands PSA

[TomL]

personal opinion? thought so. this is the standard answer when one is exposed.

Er you were exposed pretending to be a trinitarian when you are a modalist.

You had me thinking i was addressing a confused trinitarian rather than a determined modalist

see above......

now, what about that scripture as to who gave your father POWER.... Book chapter, and verse please.

101G.

You want to cite the reference, as before I just thought you were a trinitarian who was just confused and all over the place

when we were supposedly talking about Penal substitution

but now i see you have an agenda

 

[TomL]

LOL, LOL, LOL, can you read? can you deduct reasoning? ANOTHER PERSON..... 243 Allos, hello, anyone HOME? it's the same one Person in the ECHAD of First and Last. 101G will not explain it anymore.. .... seeing you cannot comprehend what the ECHAD of God is in Dispensations as a Diversity of his OWNSELF. now since this is 101G' last time telling you this. as said, the LAMB which stands is he who sits,,,,,, (smile), U cannot understand this even when shown. and 101G has scripture that states this is the Lord JESUS who sits on the throne. WHICH YOU COULD NOT SUPPLY, SINCE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS THE FATHER ON THE THRONE AS A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PERSON.... Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." see how easy that was to give book chapter, and verse?

now KNOWING that this is the Lord Jesus who sits on the Theone, Rev. 4:11 says the ONE who sits on the Throne is the ONE who Created and MADE ALL THINGS. which is bared out in Isaiah 33:24, and John 1:3 who is the same one person who MADE ALL THINGS.

the bible is complete. if it say one thing over here, it have to say the same thing over there. this is Just too easy not to understand.

101G.

Sorry you are citing your theology indulging in dishonesty and ad hominem

Your saying the lamb and he who sits on the throne are one person is simply you stating your theology

and making too much of what is a vision

Father and Son are two persons

Father and Son are two persons

1. The saluations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3; Phm 1:3

2 . Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.

3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.

4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23 -26.

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.

 

[101G]

Er you were exposed pretending to be a trinitarian when you are a modalist.

You had me thinking i was addressing a confused trinitarian rather than a determined modalist

(smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, and you're still confused.

but now i see you have an agenda

101G has an agenda? your second ERROR of the day. God has an agenda and here it is, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
YIKES!.

and a many still don';t see it coming...... Oh my.

101G.

 

[101G]

Sorry you are citing your theology indulging in dishonesty and ad hominem

if so, post that book chapter, and verse as to who gave your father sitting on the throne POWER. that's all you have to do. now that book chapter and verse please...... see 101G said please......

101G.

 

[synergy]

Er you were exposed pretending to be a trinitarian when you are a modalist.

You had me thinking i was addressing a confused trinitarian rather than a determined modalist

You're not alone. After months of reading 101G's posts, I still don't know what he is.

 

[TomL]

You're not alone. After months of reading 101G's posts, I still don't know what he is.

He is a modalist, A oneness person

Who believes the one God exists in three modes that of father son and holy Spirit

The roles change as the one person takes on another role

 

[TomL]

if so, post that book chapter, and verse as to who gave your father sitting on the throne POWER. that's all you have to do. now that book chapter and verse please...... see 101G said please......

101G.

As I already asked you, cite the verse you think teaches the father was given power

As it now stands, I have no idea what you are talking about

except perhaps

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

which is not addressing the father.

But your question does not appear rational

I do not believe Jesus is the father that would be your error

 

[TomL]

(smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, and you're still confused.

101G has an agenda? your second ERROR of the day. God has an agenda and here it is, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
YIKES!.

and a many still don';t see it coming...... Oh my.

101G.

You are not God

I thought we were addressing PSA but you had something else in mind

God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ are two persons
The salutations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; Philem. 3; James 1:1; 2 Pet. 1:2; 2 John 3
Two witnesses: John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; cf. Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15
The Father sent the Son: John 3:16-17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; cf. John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21
The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 5:20; 14:31; 15:9; 17:23-26; cf. Matt. 3:17 par.; 17:5 par.; 2 Pet. 1:17
The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41-42; 12:28; 17:1-26; etc.
The Father knows the Son, and the Son knows the Father: Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22; John 7:29; 8:55; 10:15
Jesus our Advocate with the Father: 1 John 2:1

 

[Johann]

(smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, and you're still confused.

101G has an agenda? your second ERROR of the day. God has an agenda and here it is, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
YIKES!.

and a many still don';t see it coming...... Oh my.

101G.

The Lamb that sits on the throne in the Book of Revelation is a symbol of Jesus Christ, who has been slain and now reigns as the victorious Messiah and Savior. This image is a reminder of Jesus' sacrificial death and his ultimate triumph over sin and death. The Lamb is described as having seven horns and seven eyes, which represent divine power and knowledge. The Lamb is worshiped alongside God the Father, and the two are praised together for their redemptive work

 

[Johann]

if so, post that book chapter, and verse as to who gave your father sitting on the throne POWER. that's all you have to do. now that book chapter and verse please...... see 101G said please......

101G.

The verse that mentions who gave the Father sitting on the throne power is Revelation 5:13. It states, "Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!'" This verse attributes power to both the Father sitting on the throne and to the Lamb, who is Jesus Christ.

 

[TomL]

The verse that mentions who gave the Father sitting on the throne power is Revelation 5:13. It states, "Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!'" This verse attributes power to both the Father sitting on the throne and to the Lamb, who is Jesus Christ.

Yes that would be two and this three persons

Matthew 3:16–17 (ESV) — 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

 

[Johann]

Yes that would be two and this three persons

Matthew 3:16–17 (ESV) — 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Yes-

Yes, the Trinity is a biblical concept, although the term "Trinity" is not found in Scripture. The concept of the Trinity, one God existing in three Persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—is supported by various passages in the Old and New Testaments. The Old Testament uses the plural form "Elohim" and the plural pronoun "us" to describe God, which suggests the aspect of plurality in God

. The New Testament presents Jesus as God (John 1:1, 14; Titus 2:13), the Holy Spirit as God (Acts 5:3-4), and the Father as God (Philippians 1:2)

. The doctrine of the Trinity is not explicitly stated in the Bible, but it is a logical and theological conclusion based on the biblical data

. The Trinity is a central tenet of Christian theology, and it is a topic that has been debated and discussed throughout church history

 

[civic]

The Lamb that sits on the throne in the Book of Revelation is a symbol of Jesus Christ, who has been slain and now reigns as the victorious Messiah and Savior. This image is a reminder of Jesus' sacrificial death and his ultimate triumph over sin and death. The Lamb is described as having seven horns and seven eyes, which represent divine power and knowledge. The Lamb is worshiped alongside God the Father, and the two are praised together for their redemptive work

Ditto

 

[DavidTree]

The Lamb that sits on the throne in the Book of Revelation is a symbol of Jesus Christ, who has been slain and now reigns as the victorious Messiah and Savior. This image is a reminder of Jesus' sacrificial death and his ultimate triumph over sin and death. The Lamb is described as having seven horns and seven eyes, which represent divine power and knowledge. The Lamb is worshiped alongside God the Father, and the two are praised together for their redemptive work

#1 - Who has Authority to be standing in the Midst of the Throne???

Only ONE = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

If Michael, who is the HIGHEST Archangel, were to even attempt to come near the Throne without God's permission he would be struck down immediately.

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

 

[Johann]

#1 - Who has Authority to be standing in the Midst of the Throne???

Only ONE = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

If Michael, who is the HIGHEST Archangel, were to even attempt to come near the Throne without God's permission he would be struck down immediately.

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

Do you agree-or disagree with my post brother?
J.

 

[Johann]

Only ONE = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

Elaborate a bit more on this one-
J.

 

[DavidTree]

Do you agree-or disagree with my post brother?
J.

AGREE and i gave you the True Blue Thumb of approval(lol)

 

[Johann]

AGREE and i gave you the True Blue Thumb of approval(lol)

Love ya brother-tired and a bit battered.
Shalom to you and family all the way from South Africa.
J.

 

[DavidTree]

Elaborate a bit more on this one-
J.

Agree as you posted in #152

ELOHIM is Plural and as such points us to "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = 3

Genesis and Exodus then tells us who the THREE are.

The GOSPEL irrefutably Confirms the THREE for THEY are One Elohim.

 

[DavidTree]

Love ya brother-tired and a bit battered.
Shalom to you and family all the way from South Africa.
J.

i always enjoy your fellowship even when there are slight disagreements.

Shalom Brother