Nope I agree he is omniscient
He knows the past and the present and the future as they exist
You are just ignorant of the matter however
God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES
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He knows the past and the present and the future as they exist
You are just ignorant of the matter however
Ya ya ya, broken record
As the exist? Can they exist differently then how God knows they will exist?
Exactly. It was the creation of time. The first event in a sequential chain of events.
sorry going from no creation to creation itself was a change thus time
Not a change in God's essence or character however.
Did you not understand?
He knows the past and the present and the future as they exist
Doesn't matter
all hold that
If you are going to claim God is timeless you cannot have him changing in accidental or Cambridge properties
civic
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Yes just another contradiction in his theology
TibiasDad
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Agreed!
We can be certain of that which is specifically stated about God. But certainty can also be inferred about other aspects, about which specific statements are not directly made by the coalition of certain specific revelations. The Trinity is one of those things! Opponents of the Trinity always point to the absence of the specific word in scripture to which we reply that the scriptures call each member of the Godhead is directly called God!
God existing outside of time is inferred by his being existent prior to the creation event. Time is a part of temporal reality, part of the creation event.
See above.
Time is not an attribute of God. Attributes are the qualities of God. Time is not a quality.
This is a list of the Attributes of God:
1. God Is a Personal Spirit
2. God Is All-Powerful
3. God Is Present Everywhere
4. God Knows Everything
5. God Is Sovereign
6. God Is Holy
7. God Is Absolute Truth
8. God Is Righteous
9. God Is Just
10. God Is Love
11. God Is Merciful
12. God Is Faithful
13. God Never Changes
Time is not listed as an Attribute.
Doug
civic
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Revelation 22:1–5, speaks of the New Jerusalem: “Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. . . . There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.” The mention of “every month” and “for ever and ever” indicates the passage of time
Next fallacy from you can’t wait to see what you will come up with next lol. I’ve give several scriptures driving time exists in heaven and after the new heavens and earth are created.
As they exist? Can that existence change?
Irrelevant as usual.
Creation was the beginning of time. The first act in the sequence of events called time.
Ya, it does matter. God did not change. His character and essence remained the same. As with Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.
civic
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Yes your opinion is unbiblical and irrelevant. There will be time in eternity as the scriptures I presented prove.
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Rockson
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So what would be the dynamics that would make it certain in God's mind Tibias? I'm not saying it's not but what makes it so? I mean he'd either be in a place we'd call the future or his absolute brilliance would know the probabilities and the end results. I don't consider either option would be true as there's no such thing as a future before it happens.
That would mean there two of me as we'd say right now. One in the present.....and future. The probability thing I don't buy either and if one were to give it some thought I think there would only be one other option. I hesitate to talk about it for many would say NO WAY but it does answer all the questions and certainly has nothing to do with ordaining all things.
TibiasDad
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John’s writing in Revelation is apocalyptic and highly figurative and symbolic in nature. John was trying to explain what he was seeing in the visions in the best possible way he could given the point in time in which he was writing. Using our concept of time, seasons, and harvests he tries to paint a picture of something that was oftentimes unfathomable, in understandable terms and concepts that his readers, especially his immediate readers, could comprehend.
The trees whose leaves are “for the healing of the nations” is clearly figurative language, not literal.
Personally, I don’t have an issue with there being “time”, but I don’t think it would be time as we know it. The descriptions of the New Earth are incompatible with current time-space realities. I mean the walls of the new Jerusalem are 1400 miles square and high. (Outer space is a mere 62 miles (100 kilometers) above sea level. So the walls would be 1338 feet into outer space, for 1400 miles square. The Great Wall of China is less than fifty feet at its highest, and averages a little less than 26 feet.)
So the whole nature of the new world is completely different than the current world. I would think that time would be as well!
Doug
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Again, we are incapable of understanding things from God’s perspective or what it is like to be God. But I would ask you what makes something certain in your mind, even though it is something not yet experienced? Would I be able to explain that process about your certainty?
I would only say that the fact that God declares that X will happen in the future necessitates that he is certain about it!
How he comes to that certainty is irrelevant to my thinking.
Doug
