If God can foresee what is a possibility in the future, he may freely change it.
If God sees something as settled he cannot change it
God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES
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If God sees something as settled he cannot change it
Wrong topic
correct topic can God change his mind
God stated to repent (Change mind)
Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;
Classic theism tries to make them all anthropomorphism claiming certain passages teach God cannot change his mind. As i noted elsewhere Warren Mcgrew strongly shows those verses have been misunderstood in a debate with Tyler Vela
civic
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Amen
Yep
Wrong. God does not change. Malachi 3:6. Neither does Christ. Hebrews 13:8
Why do you deny scripture?
There is no such thing with a omniscient God. Your understanding of of omniscience is flawed.
civic
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Neither of those support your presumption. Their context refutes you just like every other verse calvinists use in isolation to support tulip. The context always refutes them.
hope this helps. !!!
Sure it does. My premise: God does not change. What does Malachi 3:6 say?? And many others
Notice he screams context but does not offer any. Amateurish
civic
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It doesn’t say : God does not change His mind. 20 plus verses say God changed His mind.
Your 1 isolated verse doesn’t trump the plethora of ones saying He does change His mind.
So your understanding is 100% in error.
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It's says He does not change. A change of mind is change. LOL
Numbers 23:19. God does not change His mind
It's not a isolated verse. There are plenty more. Want some?
Sorry you are begging the issue
Are you claiming God lacks knowledge of possibilities (contrafactuals)?
Um you ignored
God stated to repent (Change mind)
Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;
God in his essence and character does not change.
Scripture however shows he can change his mind
civic
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Yes someone is turning a blind eye to the truth and denying Gods clearly stated words that He changed His mind dozens of times in scripture. It’s truly a shame to claim you believe what Gods says then deny it. Talk about an oxymoron
Rockson
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Yeah people and I think it's out of a hardness of one's heart they just won't acknowledge obvious things.
Yes God does change his mind but God not changing is not a contradiction but it directs us to understand a context of a verse.
If a Calvinists would just look at the issue squarely, rightly and sincerely they'd see, No God doesn't change his moral standard. Never does. That's a part of what he is. To change that would be to deny himself. BUT....BUT.....when men change their actions in how we'd say they repent God never changes the moral standard of what he is BUT apart of that moral standard that doesn't change is that if men change their actions God will adopt or yes change his prescribed actions he said he would take.
We can say that's an unchangeable thing with God. If we repent his unchangeable standard would be to show them mercy.....if they don't his unchangeable standard would be to bring judgment. All it is is a change in how he responds them his creatures but his unchangeable way allowed all along for two options. Judgement or Mercy.
civic
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Yes Gods character doesn’t not change but changing one’s mind is not a character issue which they conflate. Plus in many places God places conditions on His promises. This too they ignore.
Nope. Obviously that would be part of omniscience.
Umm...you ignored Malachi 3:6, Hebrews q3:8
Good
Sorry I Addressed Mal 3:6
Um you ignored
God stated to repent (Change mind)
Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;
God in his essence and character does not change.
That addresses Mal 3:6
Scripture however shows he can change his mind which you do not address
Heb q3:8?
Hebrews 13:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
The same in what way?
Jesus grew in knowledge. That would be a change so you cannot use it regarding that topic
