101G
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his Son is him in Flesh, as the Ordinal Last.
and Jesus said "I come in my Father's NAME", so what is the Father's Name? answer, JESUS. B.A.M. ..... BAM, BAM.... (smile)
101G.
From what position did Jesus Christ lower Himself?
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and Jesus said "I come in my Father's NAME", so what is the Father's Name? answer, JESUS. B.A.M. ..... BAM, BAM.... (smile)
101G.
APAK
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Not as you with your unified/equally portioned Spirit split between the Father and Son. And not as those that believe in Yahshua and yet their belief system has to make him a non-human person for their system to become plausible...speaking to the Bini and Trini folks here.
No, I'm a monotheistic single Creator YHWH believer that harmonizes both the OT of the Hebrews of their sh'ema and the NT of the 2nd Adam born with the Spirit of his Creator...you could say he was the first and only born believer in YHWH before he could speak....
.Some will say I'm a (form of) Biblical Unitarianism and that's fine or ok by me...I don't like or do labels or like to tag anyone myself. I guess it may be necessary to at least get a 30k ft level perspective......end it it for now...
If you have more questions then feel free to fire away 101G
101G
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so, you're a "monotheistic single Creator YHWH believer that harmonizes both the OT of the Hebrews of their sh'ema and the NT ". good glad to hear that. since you harmonizes both the OT and the NT, please tell us, "who laid the foundation of the Earth". was it A. the LORD/Father, or B. the Lord/Son, or C. if both, meaning the same one person. your answer please. then we will see if you're monotheistic or not.
please just A, B, or C.... that's all and we can discuss after.
101G
101G
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This is getting good, now all these false beliefs can be eliminated, by asking questions, and getting answers.
so to any and all, 101G repeat his question, "WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH?". was it the LORD/Father, or the Lord/Son, or both who is the same one person....... anyone can reply.
101G.
so to any and all, 101G repeat his question, "WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH?". was it the LORD/Father, or the Lord/Son, or both who is the same one person....... anyone can reply.
101G.
praise_yeshua
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Why should anyone reply when you ignore valid responses to your questions? I have no expectations that you will actually respond to an answer that contradicts your view. You obviously want to try to "limit" the conversation to your "musings".
praise_yeshua
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There is no meaningful difference between traditional Oneness teachings and what you're declaring above. When asked about this you simply reply with the same answer without indicting the difference.
In your view, Jesus prayed to Himself. In your view, The Father has conversations with Himself that anyone can acknowledge are delusional in nature.
civic
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No the Son is the Son which is why I quoted John 17 where the SON is praying to the FATHER and not to HIMSELF.
BAM, BOOM, BANG, POW !!!
hope this helps !!!
APAK
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Deja vu all over again and and now if I can go down memory lane with you101G..about 2-3 years ago...
I've done this exercise with you before....
I remember I answered A. and you said C...and even if someone answered B., .the fireworks would predictably explode and you would write, ERROR!
Then without a pause, you would quickly follow up as if trying to capture prey, with these types of statement I recalled you making to others and myself
---you wrote----------
God the "Elohim" is a plurality in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.
God is a "Elohim" in "TIME" the BEGINNING, Genesis 1:1 the "ORDER", the Ordinal FIRST, "RANK", the LORD, "PLACE", Alone, and by himself, Father, CREATOR, and MAKER"
And these types of statement you made a couple of years ago I could never grasp and not even now..
So if your goal is to educate then you might need an assistant to communicate it much better or if your intent is to try and ram it down someone's throat then I guess you are doing a great job with hardly any success..
Diversification is Spirit is not a takeaway I get from scripture at all 101G.
I might as well add some more of your writings whilst I remember them..
(you said)....the Offspring of his OWN-SELF, as the equal SHARE of his OWN-SELF in Flesh, he is speaking to his Spirit, and from Heaven, the Spirit is speaking to his BODY, the ONLY Church on Earth.
This all does not make any sense at all...
You never define the basic buidling blocks of your theory. Ii is always a moving target and you then cannot be pinned down by any answer someone provides you.....
and you then go on and continue with more of your endless supply of really outlandish statements that are meant to be understood in scripture ..they are very original indeed...like
"....the LORD Jesus was at Genesis 1:1, but the Lord Jesus to Come was in him at Genesis1:1. Just as Eve was in Adam on day three..."
So until you can slow down, take a chill pill and really start from 101 and describe your theory and building blocks and why, very clearly, you are wasting your time once again on this diversification in (ONE?/PLURAL?)Spirit theory.
Still, I do like your persistence and professional attitude for sure...
Doug Brents
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Many, my father among them, believe that the three are one being that is manifested in multiple ways (Father, Son, Spirit). But I believe that they are three separate entities that are so closely united in purpose, desire, power, etc. that they are ONE. Think marriage here: man and woman are two separate beings, but God says they become one when they are married.
There are several passages that speak to their being three beings:
1 John 5:7 - "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word [Jesus], and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
Gen 1:26 - "Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness"
2 Cor 13:14 - "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit"
There are many who disagree and say that the three are just different manifestations of one being, and I can understand why they do. But I believe that there are three beings that are "married" into one unit.
101G
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101G
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have you read my posts?
101G.
101G
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first ERROR od the DAY, Diversification is plainly bible, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all." 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."
are you understanding now?
101G.
101G
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Listen to the Scripture, "THESE" three are ONE, NOT "THEY" are ONE.... see the difference? these three are titles. if the scriptures would have said "THEY" are three indicating persons, then yes we all could pack our bags and go home. but it didn't.
this is in "TIME" of the ECHAD to Come, even the Lord Jesus who cannot LIE said, HE, God one Person made man Male and female, which is in the very next verse. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." what happen to the US and the OUR? answer because the EQUAL SHARE of himself the US and the OUR was to come IN "TIME". not at the Beginning, but in TIME to come.
ONE PERSON, JESUS. did you notice the conjunctions there "and". scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see the and, now this, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." the LORD "AND" his redeemer is the same one Person. is ne God not the First and the Last in EACH verse? yes, NOW the revelation solved. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." so the "LORD", the Father and, and, and, his redeemer is the same one Person.... B.A.M. BAM, BAM.
101G,
praise_yeshua
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Sure have. Point out specific differences. Sure you can quote a Hebrew word and pretend you're different. Some make the same argument you make to promote the doctrine of the Trinity. You need to be very specific on how you're different.
praise_yeshua
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I pointed out your error relative to Ga1 4:4. you ignored. You have other arguments as well.
praise_yeshua
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It is not hard to understand. It is just Oneness with "Diversified" in the description. It still presents the very real scenarios wherein God/Son openly talk to themselves.....
Get it? It goes something along these lines...........Why yes, I'll pray to myself but I'll pretend I'm not myself.
APAK
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Diversification of (human designed spirit) gifts are from one Spirit of God, YHWH, the same LORD indeed and the same Theos for God, to at least humankind and not from Yahshua the Christ as the source of this Spirit and his/its attributes. They are mutually exclusive in Spirit and source.
Therefore the source of all gifts are from the title called the Father and Creator ,who is the YHWH of 'I will be what/who/that I will be,' of ALL.
His Spirit, of YHWH, that is also described and called Holy and pure is the source of ALL spirits of his own (as in cardinal ONE) creation, from himself in reality on any plane. He extends himself into this world via his Holy Spirit and not as another independent persona not recorded in scripture that many still believe. It/he is the ONE and ONLY source of Life, energy and spirit that maintains harmony and balance in this cosmos and it is NOT of his created Son who became the most exalted special servant glorified, as the ONLY delegated source of our salvation from the one well source of his Father YHWH. Without the Son's obedience and love for his Creator YHWH we would be left for 'dead.' Permanently separated from the Creator YHWH, the one echad LORD God Almighty - the YHWH.
praise_yeshua
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Yep. You both are Unitarians. Notice the claimed "extension" of the Holy Spirit......
You do enjoy circular reasoning. I can't help but notice your presentation of Unity in the Spirit of God while denying if for Yeshua...... You obvious reverence the Spirit above the Son. You do greatly error not knowing the Scriptures.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Doug Brents
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Thank you,
This passage clearly personifies all there as separate entities that are united as one.
