From what position did Jesus Christ lower Himself?

[APAK]

Yep. You both are Unitarians. Notice the claimed "extension" of the Holy Spirit......

You do enjoy circular reasoning. I can't help but notice your presentation of Unity in the Spirit of God while denying if for Yeshua...... You obvious reverence the Spirit above the Son. You do greatly error not knowing the Scriptures.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

And what is this scripture meant to cause me to think otherwise....it supports my beliefs PY.

You know you really have to look at the original text/scripture and see if there was some shoddy/sloppy translation done or at least misleading words used that cause bias/deception. That was meant to be a hint. I can find the same sloppiness in John 1:1-5 that you most probably think is original and it's not. It only takes one word to spoil or poison the truth PY. And this word I speak of is the same in your scripture you wrote as in John 1.

 

[101G]

I pointed out your error relative to Ga1 4:4. you ignored. You have other arguments as well.

no, you have not read my post. for if you have you would have seen this, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and as for Gal. 4:4 have not 101G stated it with in reference to Romans 5:14 as to the one to come? it you who have not read my posts.

101G.

 

[101G]

It is not hard to understand. It is just Oneness with "Diversified" in the description. It still presents the very real scenarios wherein God/Son openly talk to themselves.....

personal opinion? thought so.

you have no clue what "Diversified Oneness" is. ... (smile)..lol, Oh dear.

101G.

 

[101G]

Diversification of (human designed spirit) gifts are from one Spirit of God, YHWH, the same LORD indeed and the same Theos for God, to at least humankind and not from Yahshua the Christ as the source of this Spirit and his/its attributes. They are mutually exclusive in Spirit and source.

Jesus is that Spirit, who is the Source, who is Spirit, and Lord. do you agree? ... (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

His Spirit, of YHWH, that is also described and called Holy and pure is the source of ALL spirits of his own (as in cardinal ONE) creation, from himself in reality on any plane

His Spirit? God is the ONLY Spirit. Cardinal ONE, there is no such thing. for Cardinal Numbers do not show sums, but POSITION.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
since this was posted, let's put it to the TEST, test the spirit by the S[pirit. John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:14 "He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

Who is the "ME" here who was sent. for all who are not in understanding, the "me" here is not Isaiah. ... (smile).

so, "WHO is the ME that was sent?". ..... test the spirit by the Spirit.

any who say they are Holy Spirit led let's find out.

101G.

 

[Fred]

personal opinion? thought so.

you have no clue what "Diversified Oneness" is. ... (smile)..lol, Oh dear.

101G.

Your Oneness of Diversity is a Perversity.

 

[101G]

Your Oneness of Diversity is a Perversity.

(smile) prove 101G wrong, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

take the Isaiah 48:16 test, it's easy, not math involved..... (smile)..... test the spirit by the Spirit.

101G.

 

[APAK]

To all,
since this was posted, let's put it to the TEST, test the spirit by the S[pirit. John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:14 "He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

Who is the "ME" here who was sent. for all who are not in understanding, the "me" here is not Isaiah. ... (smile).

so, "WHO is the ME that was sent?". ..... test the spirit by the Spirit.

any who say they are Holy Spirit led let's find out.

101G.

Why make a simple scripture verse into a complicated one. What you bolded in Isaiah 48:16 is easily understand if you do not insert a novel meaning into it. It clearly says that YHWH, LORD God used HIS OWN intrinsic/core attribute, his (Holy) Spirit and extended its towards and influenced/or communicated with Isaiah. And beside Isaiah, there are no two spirit personalities present in this equation, only One, of YHWH, THE SOURCE of all. Yahshua was not even in play in this time and place at all.

 

[Doug Brents]

To all,
since this was posted, let's put it to the TEST, test the spirit by the S[pirit. John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:14 "He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

Who is the "ME" here who was sent. for all who are not in understanding, the "me" here is not Isaiah. ... (smile).

so, "WHO is the ME that was sent?". ..... test the spirit by the Spirit.

any who say they are Holy Spirit led let's find out.

101G.

Me is Jesus (The Word), whom the Father and the Spirit sent (three individuals). The Father gave to the Son, the Son gave to the Spirit, the Spirit gave to the Apostles.

 

[praise_yeshua]

And what is this scripture meant to cause me to think otherwise....it supports my beliefs PY.

You know you really have to look at the original text/scripture and see if there was some shoddy/sloppy translation done or at least misleading words used that cause bias/deception. That was meant to be a hint. I can find the same sloppiness in John 1:1-5 that you most probably think is original and it's not. It only takes one word to spoil or poison the truth PY. And this word I speak of is the same in your scripture you wrote as in John 1.

Why not identify it? You haven't said anything I don't understand. I can't say that for others participate. I know you know the subject better than most so go for it. Get into the detail. I'm with you in the details......

 

[praise_yeshua]

no, you have not read my post. for if you have you would have seen this, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and as for Gal. 4:4 have not 101G stated it with in reference to Romans 5:14 as to the one to come? it you who have not read my posts.

101G.

You have a timing issue. That is what Gal 4:4 details. The fullness of time brought forth Jesus.

 

[praise_yeshua]

personal opinion? thought so.

you have no clue what "Diversified Oneness" is. ... (smile)..lol, Oh dear.

101G.

You remind me of Steven Avery. There is no need to do this "LOL.... "Oh dear" junk.....

I asked for details and you're not giving any on HOW "Diversity" makes all the difference in your position.

 

[APAK]

Me is Jesus (The Word), whom the Father and the Spirit sent (three individuals). The Father gave to the Son, the Son gave to the Spirit, the Spirit gave to the Apostles.

Doug...pretty far out there. It says all that? not!

Isaiah is speaking the words from/of the LORD YHWH via his Spirit and not of Yahshua at all. And they to add in the capitalized Word for emphasis is the icing on the cake I gather? How could he be existing at that time, really? The folks would head for the hills and Isaiah would think evil had been bestowed upon him if your interpretation were true. The Son of God was not know by the common person and only a handful knew of his future existence back then. There was YHWH and his own effective and communicative Holy Spirit only, back then, besides angels and other humans of course.

Quite a fantastic interpretation you have going there.

 

[101G]

Why make a simple scripture verse into a complicated one. What you bolded in Isaiah 48:16 is easily understand if you do not insert a novel meaning into it. It clearly says that YHWH, LORD God used HIS OWN intrinsic/core attribute, his (Holy) Spirit and extended its towards and influenced/or communicated with Isaiah. And beside Isaiah, there are no two spirit personalities present in this equation, only One, of YHWH, THE SOURCE of all. Yahshua was not even in play in this time and place at all.

`thanks for the reply. the Lord God Is JESUS. listen and learn, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" one sent his angel to John with this revelation, right. now the angel who was sent tells us who sent him, the sent angel is speaking, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

so the Lord God, the same Lord God in Isaiah sent him, the angel.... correct. well let's see who is the Lord God by name of the Holy PROPHETS. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so the Lord God is JESUS.... (Smile), and from you statement then JESUS is YHWH.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

(smile) prove 101G wrong, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

take the Isaiah 48:16 test, it's easy, not math involved..... (smile)..... test the spirit by the Spirit.

101G.

It really is a shame that those that name the name of Christ use such tactics. You don't have anymore of a insight into the Spirit of God than any other child of God. There is no need to even mention it. When you mentioning it, you're just trying to use it as a weapon.

 

[101G]

Me is Jesus (The Word), whom the Father and the Spirit sent (three individuals). The Father gave to the Son, the Son gave to the Spirit, the Spirit gave to the Apostles.

see my post above.

101G.

 

[101G]

It really is a shame that those that name the name of Christ use such tactics. You don't have anymore of a insight into the Spirit of God than any other child of God. There is no need to even mention it. When you mentioning it, you're just trying to use it as a weapon.

well take the test, .... (smile).

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Doug...pretty far out there. It says all that? not!

Isaiah is speaking the words from/of the LORD YHWH via his Spirit and not of Yahshua at all. And they to add in the capitalized Word for emphasis is the icing on the cake I gather? How could he be existing at that time, really? The folks would head for the hills and Isaiah would think evil had been bestowed upon him if your interpretation were true. The Son of God was not know by the common person and only a handful knew of his future existence back then. There was YHWH and his own effective and communicative Holy Spirit only, back then, besides angels and other humans of course.

Quite a fantastic interpretation you have going there.

So you deny the words of Peter?

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

I wish you knew more about the teaching of the Hypostatic Union.

 

[praise_yeshua]

well take the test, .... (smile).

101G.

What you claim isn't there. It is not a test. It is a conclusion you've drawn without evidence to support it.