Freed from : Calvinism-TULIP-5 points Hyper-Calvinism

[Jim]

That’s 1 fruit. If I serve a brother I bear fruit

That is not the work that 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 is talking about.

 

[Jim]

EG....God doesn't need an excuse to charge us.
We're BORN lost.

We were not born lost. We became lost when we sinned!!

The idea is to get saved.
No excuse needed by God.
John 6:18
18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

 

[Presby02]

We were not born lost. We became lost when we sinned!!

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

So you were born saved, lost your salvation when you sinned, only to get it back when you were gifted faith??

 

[Jim]

So you were born saved, lost your salvation when you sinned, only to get it back when you were gifted faith??

I was born not needing to be saved. I needed to be saved once I committed my first sin.

No one needs to be saved because Adam sinned. God is just; He condemns those who sin. He does not condemn anyone for the sins of another. You need to learn more about God.

 

[Presby02]

I was born not needing to be saved. I needed to be saved once I committed my first sin.

No one needs to be saved because Adam sinned. God is just; He condemns those who sin. He does not condemn anyone for the sins of another. You need to learn more about God.

That's what I said. You believe your born saved, lose your salvation when you sin, only to regain it when your gifted faith. Would you say infants are born in a neutral state? Neither saved or condemned?

 

[Jim]

That's what I said. You believe your born saved, lose your salvation when you sin, only to regain it when your gifted faith. Would you say infants are born in a neutral state? Neither saved or condemned?

You obviously do not understand even what salvation is or who needs to be saved and why.

I was not born saved. I had done nothing to need to be saved from.

Babies are born with God-given spirits alive and well and free from sin.

 

[Presby02]

You obviously do not understand even what salvation is or who needs to be saved and why.

I was not born saved. I had done nothing to need to be saved from.

So your born in a neutral state then? Neither saved nor condemned?

 

[GodsGrace]

We were not born lost. We became lost when we sinned!!

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

I don't know what you mean, but must leave for a while...
later.

 

[Jim]

So your born in a neutral state then? Neither saved nor condemned?

I was born spiritually alive.

Again, you seem not to know and understand condemnation and salvation.

 

[Jim]

I don't know what you mean, but must leave for a while...
later.

What does it mean to believer or not believe. Believe in whom or what? Who can believe? Certainly, a newborn child doesn't have the ability to believe.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

What has that got to do with my question? So I will ask again:

And where do you think there was/ is no law?

I never said there was no law

if your going to respond to me, at least give me the common courtesy to listen to what I am saying

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That is not the work that 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 is talking about.

Actually yes it is

It is any work that does Good. we recieve reward.

Any work we do that is not good. or does not bear fruit. is burned up.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

We were not born lost. We became lost when we sinned!!

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

We were born lost.

In adam ALL DIE

Unless you think you are not ALL..

If you were born free from sin, and under your own power. You are under law. and Christ can not help you.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I was born not needing to be saved. I needed to be saved once I committed my first sin.

No one needs to be saved because Adam sinned. God is just; He condemns those who sin. He does not condemn anyone for the sins of another. You need to learn more about God.

lol

Not sure where you get your doctrine bro.. But you have some issues.

Only adam and eve were created perfect.

God put the rest of us under Adam. so in his perfect love, he could put us all under christ.

Your sin was paid for on the cross. It could never condemn you.. Jesus paid that penalty in full

 

[Jim]

lol

Not sure where you get your doctrine bro.. But you have some issues.

Only adam and eve were created perfect.

God put the rest of us under Adam. so in his perfect love, he could put us all under christ.

Your sin was paid for on the cross. It could never condemn you.. Jesus paid that penalty in full

Where did your spirit come from?

 

[Johann]

Where did your spirit come from?

From Christ Jesus.

J.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Where did your spirit come from?

It was made alive when I came to christ about 40 years ago.

Until then, it was dead. Separated from God. unable to have a relationship with God

Just look at any baby, You can see the sin nature deep in them, when they rebel and do not do as the parent wishes, and take on a selfish attitude.. long before they are conscious of sin.

 

[Jim]

From Christ Jesus.

J.

Really? Not God?

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel: Thus declares the LORD, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:

Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Even if Jesus, when did Jesus give you your spirit?

 

[Jim]

It was made alive when I came to christ about 40 years ago.

Until then, it was dead. Separated from God. unable to have a relationship with God

Just look at any baby, You can see the sin nature deep in them, when they rebel and do not do as the parent wishes, and take on a selfish attitude.. long before they are conscious of sin.

Possessing a sin nature is not a sin.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Possessing a sin nature is not a sin.

I never said it was

But IN ADAM ALL DIE

the sin nature did not kill us..

But it does prove we are alienated, because we have a nature to sin based on the separation of our source of blessing