Freed from : Calvinism-TULIP-5 points Hyper-Calvinism

[Presby02]

I know that because God gave me my spirit and He does not create dead spirits.

Anyone can claim God gave them a Spirit.

 

[Jim]

Anyone can claim God gave them a Spirit.

Anyone can claim anything. Anyone can claim they even have a spirit. Anyone can claim you don't have a spirit. So what is your point?

 

[Presby02]

Anyone can claim anything. Anyone can claim they even have a spirit. Anyone can claim you don't have a spirit. So what is your point?

Exactly. So that's not a answer to a question.

 

[Jim]

Exactly. So that's not a answer to a question.

Then I guess the answer to your question is read the Bible.

 

[Presby02]

Then I guess the answer to your question is read the Bible.

I have read the Bible, many times. People reach different conclusions having read it. My question was directed to you and your understanding.

 

[Jim]

I have read the Bible, many times. People reach different conclusions having read it. My question was directed to you and your understanding.

I gave you my understanding.

 

[Presby02]

I gave you my understanding.

You sure did. My questions were for clarification purposes. Is your position we are born neither saint nor sinner?

 

[Jim]

You sure did. My questions were for clarification purposes. Is your position we are born neither saint nor sinner?

Define saint and sinner.

 

[Johann]

Define saint and sinner.

Still on bible trivia @Jim?

"Therefore, leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God."

This verse urges believers to move beyond basic doctrines and advance toward spiritual maturity. The Greek word translated as "elementary" is ἀρχή (archē), meaning "beginning" or "first principles." The phrase "press on to maturity" uses φερώμεθα (pherōmetha), which implies being carried forward or progressing.

Define sanctification for me, I want to hear your understanding of sanctification, that should answer your question on who is a saint and who is a sinner.

Thanks.

J.

 

[Presby02]

Define saint and sinner.

A genuine Christain.

One born in the flesh. "Whatever is not of faith is sin."

 

[Jim]

Still on bible trivia @Jim?

"Therefore, leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God."

This verse urges believers to move beyond basic doctrines and advance toward spiritual maturity. The Greek word translated as "elementary" is ἀρχή (archē), meaning "beginning" or "first principles." The phrase "press on to maturity" uses φερώμεθα (pherōmetha), which implies being carried forward or progressing.

Define sanctification for me, I want to hear your understanding of sanctification, that should answer your question on who is a saint and who is a sinner.

Thanks.

J.

I know the biblical meanings of saint and sinner. @Presby02 asked me about being born neither saint nor sinner. My answer to that must depend upon what @Presby02 thinks what those two terms mean. My definition of sanctification doesn't enter the discussion at this time.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Your body was dead when you were born? I don' think so.

lol. whatever.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

A genuine Christain.

One born in the flesh. "Whatever is not of faith is sin."

in flesh? or spirit?