Where did anyone say that "it's all about the Christian and how well they walk in their flesh"? Of course a Christian walks in the Spirit. Stop making up strawmen.
Do Trinitarians really know their foundational core doctrines and their impact on their beliefs and others?
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Peterlag
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You mean it's your faith that is serving him. He provides nothing.
Peterlag
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I don't think most people know what or how to walk in the spirit so of course they walk in their flesh.
The topic here is the Trinity. Do you have any other objections to it or will you finally accept the Biblical truth that Jesus is Divine?
Peterlag
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I do not agree with you on a melt-down. I do not believe Jesus is God. I believe the devil working with the Catholics came up with this idea to take Christ out of the picture. The devil could not pull Jesus down so he pushed him up. Either way he got him off the picture. What's sad is that everybody believes what the Catholics put in our culture and it's global.
Peterlag
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I'm still on the trinity and what I'm trying to find out is if it's possible to walk in fellowship with the spirit of Christ if we think it's God.
Pancho Frijoles
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That’s a noble quest.
I do think it is possible. Jesus Christ will take us to His Father, regardless of what we think of his metaphysical nature.
Jesus is beyond any debate, and His love for us is beyond question.
DavidTree
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Start at the BEGINNING
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
God
אֱלֹהִ֔ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
DavidTree
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Christ is not a "it"
The Holy Spirit is not a "it"
The Father is not a "it"
THEY are Echad Elohim
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!
Hear,
שְׁמַ֖ע (šə·ma‘)
Verb - Qal - Imperative - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 8085: v 1) to hear, listen to, obey 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to hear (perceive by ear) 1a2) to hear of or concerning 1a3) to hear (have power to hear) 1a4) to hear with attention or interest, listen to 1a5) to understand (language) 1a6) to hear (of judicial cases) 1a7) to listen, give heed 1a7a) to consent, agree 1a7b) to grant request 1a8) to listen to, yield to 1a9) to obey, be obedient 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be heard (of voice or sound) 1b2) to be heard of 1b3) to be regarded, be obeyed 1c) (Piel) to cause to hear, call to hear, summon 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cause to hear, tell, proclaim, utter a sound 1d2) to sound aloud (musical term) 1d3) to make proclamation, summon 1d4) to cause to be heard n m 2) sound
O Israel:
יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל (yiś·rā·’êl)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3478: Israel = 'God prevails' 1) the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the angel at Peniel 2) the name of the descendants and the nation of the descendants of Jacob 2a) the name of the nation until the death of Solomon and the split 2b) the name used and given to the northern kingdom consisting of the 10 tribes under Jeroboam; the southern kingdom was known as Judah 2c) the name of the nation after the return from exile
The LORD
יְהוָ֥ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136
our God,
אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ (’ĕ·lō·hê·nū)
Noun - masculine plural construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
the LORD
יְהוָ֥ה ׀ (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136
is One.
אֶחָֽד׃ (’e·ḥāḏ)
Number - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 259: 1) one (number) 1a) one (number) 1b) each, every 1c) a certain 1d) an (indefinite article) 1e) only, once, once for all 1f) one...another, the one...the other, one after another, one by one 1g) first 1h) eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinal)
Peterlag
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The spirit is an it.
Peterlag
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God is spirit and he created Adam with spirit.
Peterlag
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I do not believe you can do this if you do not know what the spirit of Christ is... I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
you are sounding new agey here. That is a red flag. I cannot believe you are still saying everything is "catholic" when its something you don't want to accept regarding what scripture teaches.
Peterlag
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We can call ourselves Protestant all day long, but we still believe the Catholic doctrine. Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.
dwight92070
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Everything that God does, Jesus does.
Everything that God is, Jesus is.
Everything that God is called, Jesus is called.
Every attribute of God is an attribute of Jesus.
Whatever makes God unique also makes Jesus unique.
Whatever should be our proper response to God, should also be our proper response to Jesus.
Can anyone please explain why these truths in themselves, are not sufficient evidence to know and believe that Jesus is God?
Everything that God is, Jesus is.
Everything that God is called, Jesus is called.
Every attribute of God is an attribute of Jesus.
Whatever makes God unique also makes Jesus unique.
Whatever should be our proper response to God, should also be our proper response to Jesus.
Can anyone please explain why these truths in themselves, are not sufficient evidence to know and believe that Jesus is God?
wow. you have new stuff. what is your point about the rejection of resurrection as you say it is wrong to say "dead people are alive"?
The other odd crazy thing you have said as a stand-out crazy item is your rejection that the four gospels are written to Christians. In my mind, I doubt they were, instead, written to Mongolians. we are left guessing what religion you are following.
Of course, a personal relationship with Jesus is the best way to "know and believe that Jesus is God".
But on an intellectual level, how is #2 "not sufficient evidence to know and believe that Jesus is God"?
You never learn or remember what has been noted. "Catholics" in the era of the councils on the Trinity refers to the whole body of Christ. So you keep saying the whole body of Christ is wrong. Protestants were not protesting against all scriptural knowledge, just the distortions of Romanism. You create an implied anachronism in saying the Trinity is (Roman) Catholicism. And now you are saying the dead are not alive -- and I hate to think what you might mean by that.
I sort of missed something earlier. You said the devil glorifies Christ more so that we will not listen to Christ's message. That would be very unproductive and illogical of the devil.
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Peterlag
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Show me where I said the devil glorifies Christ more so that we will not listen to Christ's message. And yes the trinity is Catholic. It's not Biblical. And on the dead that you mentioned... the Catholics taught us that when we die we are not really dead, but somehow we go right up to heaven or right down to hell.
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