Do physical bodies die because of Adam's sin?

[Pancho Frijoles]

Dear readers

In this thread I intend to defend the thesis that our physical bodies decay and die not because the sin of Adam and Eve, but because it is part of a natural process created by God.
In this process, the components of our bodies serve to bring life to other living organisms.
Biological death, just as metabolism or reproduction, is inherent to biological life. It does not imply destruction of matter or energy, but rearrangement, reuse, within the big picture of life in the planet.

In this thread, I will defend that

1. Genesis account on the fall should be understood spiritually, symbolically, and not as a scientific explanation of why humans (or other species) die.
2. Paul's reference to Adam and Christ as persons who introduced death and life (correspondingly) should also be understood spiritually, as salvation is about passing from spiritual death to the life of the spirit, and not about the eternal preservation of our bones or kidneys.
3. We should face the death of our bodies with peace, joy and gratitude to God, who gave it to us as a temporary gift.

 

[MTMattie]

Dear readers

In this thread I intend to defend the thesis that our physical bodies decay and die not because the sin of Adam and Eve, but because it is part of a natural process created by God.
In this process, the components of our bodies serve to bring life to other living organisms.
Biological death, just as metabolism or reproduction, is inherent to biological life. It does not imply destruction of matter or energy, but rearrangement, reuse, within the big picture of life in the planet.

In this thread, I will defend that

1. Genesis account on the fall should be understood spiritually, symbolically, and not as a scientific explanation of why humans (or other species) die.
2. Paul's reference to Adam and Christ as persons who introduced death and life (correspondingly) should also be understood spiritually, as salvation is about passing from spiritual death to the life of the spirit, and not about the eternal preservation of our bones or kidneys.
3. We should face the death of our bodies with peace, joy and gratitude to God, who gave it to us as a temporary gift.

I somewhat agree with you.
I am expecting a glorified "new" body at the appropriate time. This one I am living in will no longer be of any use as we are told in
Ecclesiastes 12:7 ... then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

So to answer your question.

No, our physical bodies do not die because of Adams sin.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I somewhat agree with you.
I am expecting a glorified "new" body at the appropriate time. This one I am living in will no longer be of any use as we are told in
Ecclesiastes 12:7 ... then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

So to answer your question.

No, our physical bodies do not die because of Adams sin.

Thank you, MTMattie, for your thoughtful post.
Like Job, I also thank and praise God for what He gave me and for what He will take away from me.

 

[civic]

Death is a result of sin, Adams sin effected the entire creation

 

[Richard]

Death is a result of sin, Adams sin effected the entire creation

But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.
2 Timothy 3:13

But the fix is in.

20 He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes (it is true). [Surely] I am coming quickly (swiftly, speedily). Amen (so let it be)! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!
Rev 22:20.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Death is a result of sin, Adams sin effected the entire creation

• All plants and animals were already dying for million years before the appearance of man.
• Furthermore, there is no way man can transmit a genetic trait such as biological death to a tree or a whale.
• The spiritual principle taught in the Bible is that each person is responsible for his own sins. (Ezekiel 18:20)

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.
2 Timothy 3:13

But the fix is in.

20 He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes (it is true). [Surely] I am coming quickly (swiftly, speedily). Amen (so let it be)! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!
Rev 22:20.

Welcome to the thread, Richard.
I don't understand the expression "But the fix is in". Could you please rephrase?
English is not my mother language and sometimes I don't understand the idioms used. My apologies in advance.

 

[Richard]

Welcome to the thread, Richard.
I don't understand the expression "But the fix is in". Could you please rephrase?
English is not my mother language and sometimes I don't understand the idioms used. My apologies in advance.

No problem. It means "in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us" Jesus Fixed it.

 

[civic]

• All plants and animals were already dying for million years before the appearance of man.
• Furthermore, there is no way man can transmit a genetic trait such as biological death to a tree or a whale.
• The spiritual principle taught in the Bible is that each person is responsible for his own sins. (Ezekiel 18:20)

Nope that’s false there was no death of anything prior to Adam’s sin. You bought into a lie.

 

[Peterlag]

Dear readers

In this thread I intend to defend the thesis that our physical bodies decay and die not because the sin of Adam and Eve, but because it is part of a natural process created by God.
In this process, the components of our bodies serve to bring life to other living organisms.
Biological death, just as metabolism or reproduction, is inherent to biological life. It does not imply destruction of matter or energy, but rearrangement, reuse, within the big picture of life in the planet.

In this thread, I will defend that

1. Genesis account on the fall should be understood spiritually, symbolically, and not as a scientific explanation of why humans (or other species) die.
2. Paul's reference to Adam and Christ as persons who introduced death and life (correspondingly) should also be understood spiritually, as salvation is about passing from spiritual death to the life of the spirit, and not about the eternal preservation of our bones or kidneys.
3. We should face the death of our bodies with peace, joy and gratitude to God, who gave it to us as a temporary gift.

I enter this conversation with more questions than I have answers. I think, but cannot prove it that Adam gave his spirit back to God and I don't know if that spirit would have kept him alive after his body died. Or if that spirit would have kept his body alive. What I do know is God told him if you do this you will die. Christ got the spirit back for us. What I don't know is if the spirit Adam had was different or acted in a different way than our spirit. Or how our spirit will work. What I can't prove is that Adam gave back his spirit. Well, we know it was not an apple.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Nope that’s false there was no death of anything prior to Adam’s sin. You bought into a lie.

I encourage you to present arguments in support of your position. Here is one from my side:
Trilobites went extinct about 250 million of years before man appeared. That is a long time, regardless of any margin or error in datation by any technique.
Therefore, there was death, and a lot of it, before Adam. It was not the result of sin.

 

[synergy]

I encourage you to present arguments in support of your position. Here is one from my side:
Trilobites went extinct about 250 million of years before man appeared. That is a long time, regardless of any margin or error in datation by any technique.
Therefore, there was death, and a lot of it, before Adam. It was not the result of sin.


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And? Gen 3:19 only talks about the death of man. In light of that, what exactly are you promoting here?

(Gen 3:19) In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”

 

[Jim]

Dear readers

In this thread I intend to defend the thesis that our physical bodies decay and die not because the sin of Adam and Eve, but because it is part of a natural process created by God.
In this process, the components of our bodies serve to bring life to other living organisms.
Biological death, just as metabolism or reproduction, is inherent to biological life. It does not imply destruction of matter or energy, but rearrangement, reuse, within the big picture of life in the planet.

In this thread, I will defend that

1. Genesis account on the fall should be understood spiritually, symbolically, and not as a scientific explanation of why humans (or other species) die.
2. Paul's reference to Adam and Christ as persons who introduced death and life (correspondingly) should also be understood spiritually, as salvation is about passing from spiritual death to the life of the spirit, and not about the eternal preservation of our bones or kidneys.
3. We should face the death of our bodies with peace, joy and gratitude to God, who gave it to us as a temporary gift.

Adam and Eve died physically, not because they sinned - at least not directly. They died because God ejected them from the Garden because they sinned. No longer having access to the tree of life, they could not eat the fruit and live forever (Gen 3:22). They died physically many years later, just as they were created to do. Nothing physical is eternal or immortal.

The death that they died when they sinned was spiritual. That is the same with all of us. Adam died spiritually the instant he sinned. We also died spiritually the instant we sinned. It was then that we became dead in trespasses and sins.

 

[Jim]

Death is a result of sin, Adams sin effected the entire creation

Only to the extent that no one has access to an earthly Garden with a tree of life. Physical death is an integral part of the creation.

 

[Jim]

Nope that’s false there was no death of anything prior to Adam’s sin. You bought into a lie.

No civic, you are the one who has bought into the lie. The fruit of the tree of life was there to keep Adam from living forever, i.e., to keep him from dying physically (Gen 3:22). Nothing in the whole of creation physically changed because Adam sinned. Nothing physically is eternal. Nothing physically is immortal.

 

[civic]

No civic, you are the one who has bought into the lie. The fruit of the tree of life was there to keep Adam from living forever, i.e., to keep him from dying physically (Gen 3:22). Nothing in the whole of creation physically changed because Adam sinned. Nothing physically is eternal. Nothing physically is immortal.

If Adam did not din he would not of died

 

[civic]

No civic, you are the one who has bought into the lie. The fruit of the tree of life was there to keep Adam from living forever, i.e., to keep him from dying physically (Gen 3:22). Nothing in the whole of creation physically changed because Adam sinned. Nothing physically is eternal. Nothing physically is immortal.

Death is the result of sin. “For the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23a). The whole world is subject to death because all have sinned. “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). In Genesis 2:17, the Lord warned Adam that the penalty for disobedience would be death—“You will certainly die.” When Adam disobeyed, he experienced immediate spiritual death, which caused him to hide “from the Lord God among the trees of the garden” (Genesis 3:8). Later, Adam experienced physical death (Genesis 5:5).got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Dear readers

In this thread I intend to defend the thesis that our physical bodies decay and die not because the sin of Adam and Eve, but because it is part of a natural process created by God.
In this process, the components of our bodies serve to bring life to other living organisms.
Biological death, just as metabolism or reproduction, is inherent to biological life. It does not imply destruction of matter or energy, but rearrangement, reuse, within the big picture of life in the planet.

In this thread, I will defend that

1. Genesis account on the fall should be understood spiritually, symbolically, and not as a scientific explanation of why humans (or other species) die.
2. Paul's reference to Adam and Christ as persons who introduced death and life (correspondingly) should also be understood spiritually, as salvation is about passing from spiritual death to the life of the spirit, and not about the eternal preservation of our bones or kidneys.
3. We should face the death of our bodies with peace, joy and gratitude to God, who gave it to us as a temporary gift.

Darwinism, rationalism, secularism is the opposite of biblicism and truth.

Christ and Paul alway interpret Genesis 1–11 as straightforward historical narrative according to the plain sense of the text (Matthew 24:37–38; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:49–51; 17:26–34; John 8:44; Acts 17:26; Romans 5:12–21; 1 Corinthians 15:22, 45; 1 Timothy 2:13–14; 2 Corinthians 11:3; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 3:5–6; Jude 14).

Genesis 1 then should be understood as historical narrative giving us an explanation of events that occurred in space-time history. The days of Genesis 1 are six literal 24-hour days (Exodus 20:11) which occurred around 6,000–10,000 years ago. The context of yom in Genesis 1 makes this clear (McCabe 2009, pp. 225–228). Moreover, even scholars who reject the literal 24-hour approach recognize that “… whoever wrote Gen. 1 believed he was talking about literal days” (Hamilton 1990, p. 53) and that

… the original Israelite audience would have understood the word “day” in the context of Genesis 1 to have been twenty-four-hour days (Walton 2001, p. 154).

The Bible elsewhere regards the days of creation as ordinary days (Exodus 20:11; 31:17).

Genesis 1:1–2:3 is clearly a historical narrative giving a sequence of six chronological days of 24 hours ruling out any ideas of uniformitarianism along with its history of death.https://answersresearchjournal.org/did-death-exist-before-the-fall/



hope this helps !!!

 

[Jim]

If Adam did not din he would not of died

Yes, but only because he could have remained in the Garden and could have eaten from the tree of life which would have prevented him from dying the physical death that is intrinsic to all biological creation.

We do not die physically because we sin. We die spiritually when we first sin, just as Adam did. We die physically for physical, not spiritual, reasons.

 

[Jim]

Death is the result of sin. “For the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23a). The whole world is subject to death because all have sinned. “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). In Genesis 2:17, the Lord warned Adam that the penalty for disobedience would be death—“You will certainly die.” When Adam disobeyed, he experienced immediate spiritual death, which caused him to hide “from the Lord God among the trees of the garden” (Genesis 3:8). Later, Adam experienced physical death (Genesis 5:5).got?

hope this helps !!!

Romans 5:12 is speaking of spiritual, not physical death. Babies die even though it is not possible for them to commit trespasses and sins.