Sure there are. He gives it unless you want to claim He grants it randomly.
Dishonoring the bodily sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Calvinism
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Aaron
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“Whosoever believes” in Jesus will have eternal life. Paul likewise says “the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people” (Titus 2:11). And again, God “is the Savior of all men, especially of believers” (1 Timothy 4:10).
So while Jesus is the savior for all people in the sense that anyone can accept the salvation He offers, it is only believers who will ultimately be saved. As further evidence that God offers salvation to all people, consider the fact that God wants all people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9).
In what sense could God, who sent his Son “to seek and to save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10), genuinely desire the salvation of every person if some people are not even given the opportunity to accept that salvation?
God’s offer of salvation goes out to all people, Jesus died for all people, and God loves the whole world and desires the salvation of all people; nevertheless, only some will choose to respond to God’s saving grace and be saved.
- Zach Breitenbach
So while Jesus is the savior for all people in the sense that anyone can accept the salvation He offers, it is only believers who will ultimately be saved. As further evidence that God offers salvation to all people, consider the fact that God wants all people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9).
In what sense could God, who sent his Son “to seek and to save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10), genuinely desire the salvation of every person if some people are not even given the opportunity to accept that salvation?
God’s offer of salvation goes out to all people, Jesus died for all people, and God loves the whole world and desires the salvation of all people; nevertheless, only some will choose to respond to God’s saving grace and be saved.
- Zach Breitenbach
Cosmo
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The effects of sin are devastating, God did not leave us in that helpless state. God extended his grace to all humans to enable them to come to him. This measure of grace, called “prevenient grace,” allows human free will to accept God’s call. But, the will is also free to reject this call.
Faith, then, as a gift of God, grants the power to believe. However, people must choose to exercise this faith in the act of belief. Until this faith is exercised, the Holy Spirit does not make a new heart. Faith comes first, then the new birth.
brightfame52
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There may not be no verses for you!
brightfame52
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Believing in Jesus is evidence that he has given you eternal life
You have not been able to post any that actually say such a thing. Rather, you read that theology into scripture.
That would be your theology.
However, there are no verses that make that his standard pattern.
Multiple verses showing Jewish unbelief versus commands to believe show the error of Calvinist theology.
Jesus, weeping and marveling at faith and unbelief, does so as well. Disobedience to God's word does so likewise
Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel
Luke 7:9And when Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning around to the crowd that was following him, he said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith!”
Mark 6:6And he was astonished because of their unbelief. And he was going around among the villages teaching.
Isaiah 65:1–4 (LEB) — 1 “I let myself be sought by those who did not ask; I let myself be found by those who did not seek me. I said, ‘Here I am; here I am!’ to a nation that did not call on my name; 2 I spread out my hands all day to a stubborn people, those who walk after their thoughts in the way that is not good, 3 the people who provoke me to anger continually to my face, slaughtering for sacrifices in the garden, and making smoke offerings on bricks, 4 who sit in graves and spend the night in secret places, who eat the flesh of swine with a fragment of impurity in their vessels,
Hebrews 3:18–19 (LEB) — 18 And to whom did he swear they would not enter into his rest, except those who were disobedient? 19 And so we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
Were they following God's determination? How were they the disobedient if doing so?
2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 (LEB) — 8 with burning flame giving punishment to those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus, 9 who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
And selfish ambition is considered a reason for unbelief and not a determination from God.
Romans 2:8 (LEB) — 8 but to those who act from selfish ambition and who disobey the truth, but who obey unrighteousness, wrath and anger.
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brightfame52
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Thats actual to you. What's actual to me isn't necessarily actual to you.
Prove it by posting verses that actually say what you believe.
Now your simply lying. Quote one Calvinist saying God chooses randomly.
Not one of your proof texts say it was not determined by God. You insert the errors of Provisionism. Which are numerous
brightfame52
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The verses I understand may not be verses you understand
civic
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I think AI got this right. This is a knock out blow for original sin from birth. Jesus was sinless because He never sinned. Perfect obedience. This is aside from the doctrine of Impeccability.
I'm just focusing on the humanity part, flesh, sarx. Not His Divine Person. the belief that Jesus' flesh was somehow different or special from human flesh is considered heresy, specifically a form of Docetism or "Divine-Flesh" heresy, because orthodox Christian theology holds that Jesus was fully human, "consubstantial with us in his humanity" and in all things like us, except for sin. This belief is rejected because it implies Jesus was not a true man who could die for humanity or a perfect example of human life
praise_yeshua
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I think AI got this right. This is a knock out blow for original sin from birth. Jesus was sinless because He never sinned. Perfect obedience. This is aside from the doctrine of Impeccability.
the belief that Jesus' flesh was somehow different or special from human flesh is considered heresy, specifically a form of Docetism or "Divine-Flesh" heresy, because orthodox Christian theology holds that Jesus was fully human, "consubstantial with us in his humanity" and in all things like us, except for sin. This belief is rejected because it implies Jesus was not a true man who could die for humanity or a perfect example of human life
Absolutely. I was thinking about this today. We must be thinking alike.....
One of the things that the Incarnation brought to God was the "feeling" of our infirmities. The emotional connection to the pain of our bodies without Him.
Doesn't His Presence temper our suffering.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Some people are just past feeling.....
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
What part of post the verses did you not understand?
Aaron
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Believing in Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross is how you except His gift of salvation.
Believing in Jesus saves you by enabling a person to receive forgiveness for sins and the promise of eternal life through the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This faith involves acknowledging one's own sinfulness, believing in Jesus' deity and death on the cross as a substitute for human sin, and having faith in His resurrection, which conquered death. Salvation is seen as a gift from God, not something earned through good works, though genuine faith is often expressed through a changed life and acts of love after you are saved.
