Dishonoring the bodily sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Calvinism
- Thread starter praise_yeshua
- Start date
Kenny
Active Member
Really. You want to go there now?
Shall we break my post that you replayed to down?
I'll make it easy for both of us. Either I misinterpreted you replay or you misinterpreted my post.
See that was easy and we didn't have to use any rude remarks
brightfame52
Active Member
You went there first. Im talking about scripture and you bring yourself into the equation and your experiences. I dont trust your experiences, but the word of truthReally. You want to go there now?
Shall we break my post that you replayed to down?
I'll make it easy for both of us. Either I misinterpreted you replay or you misinterpreted my post.
See that was easy and we didn't have to use any rude remarks
Kenny
Active Member
John 10:27-28 happens after salvation and teaches that Jesus' true followers are defined by their ability to hear His voice, His personal knowledge of them, and their willingness to follow Him, a relationship He assures by giving them eternal life and guaranteeing they will never perish or be taken from His hand.
This passage highlights a deep, intimate relationship where believers are led, protected, and sustained by Jesus, the Good Shepherd, emphasizing a personal connection and spiritual discernment over mere knowledge about Him
Kenny
Active Member
I did not make any rude remark about you. So how did I go there first?
brightfame52
Active Member
The point is Jesus purpose in His death was to give ternal life to His Sheep. Jn 10:10
10 ;The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[sheep] might have life, and that they[sheep] might have it more abundantly.
11 ;I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Now giving His Life for the Sheep gives them eternal life. Anything short of this actually does dishonor to His sacrifice for them.
brightfame52
Active Member
I didn't make any about you. I was talking in general that the Gospel of ones salvation is sent to a saved person to give them the good news. Now I did make a comment about what you said, asking why would someone need to hear the Gospel i they saved? I just thought that question was odd since it should be obvious that if anyone found out they are saved, forgiven, it would be good news. I didn't mean to say as a personal attack you are stupid, but the comment just sounded like you dont understand the purpose of the Gospel, its good news to the saved. Its all about what Christ accomplished in His work to save His People from their sins as predicted Matt 1:21, its finished, He did a Great Job
Kenny
Active Member
Wrong!
The Bible makes it clear that only those who come to Jesus will be saved John 14:6
Jesus died for humanity's sins to reconcile people with God, offer them forgiveness, demonstrate God's love and justice, and provide a path to eternal life through his sacrificial act. His death was seen as the ultimate sacrifice, paying the penalty for human sin that people were unable to pay themselves. This act of redemption frees believers from the power and bondage of sin, allowing them to become holy and draw closer to God.
God respects human free will. Thus, although God offers his grace to all people, he also endows them with the ability to reject that grace. This way, individuals are responsible for their own decisions, accepting or rejecting God’s grace. Thus, we can explain why some people who hear the gospel remain away from God. In his mercy, God allows people the freedom to reject the offer of salvation.
brightfame52
Active Member
Jay
Active Member
We must recognize that “the secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children…” Deut. 29:29
The exact operation of God’s grace might well be one of those secret things that belong to God.
However, the Scriptures reveal enough for us to know that apart from God’s grace, we can do nothing. God’s grace has broken through human hopelessness and despair, opening the door for new beginnings walking alongside God.
We can argue that the primary doctrine is that God’s grace begins and ends salvation, we can’t come to God without it, and we receive it completely as God’s gift. The exact way God’s grace works in us is, then, a secondary doctrine that shouldn’t divide believers.
The exact operation of God’s grace might well be one of those secret things that belong to God.
However, the Scriptures reveal enough for us to know that apart from God’s grace, we can do nothing. God’s grace has broken through human hopelessness and despair, opening the door for new beginnings walking alongside God.
We can argue that the primary doctrine is that God’s grace begins and ends salvation, we can’t come to God without it, and we receive it completely as God’s gift. The exact way God’s grace works in us is, then, a secondary doctrine that shouldn’t divide believers.
Jay
Active Member
And it for whosoever believes.
brightfame52
Active Member
Jay
Active Member
Often when approaching controversial Bible verses, there is a similar peril. If you get off the correct path of the true meaning of a given verse by making erroneous underlying assumptions, you’ll end up with erroneous conclusions that makes the text impossible to understand, and forcing you down the path of additional erroneous conclusions.
Jay
Active Member
Sheep are of whatsoever ethnicity? Do you have a bible verse for that?
Your saying "One cant believe in Jesus until He gives them life."
So according to you have to be saved in order to believe in Jesus.
That's like saying "you have to be saved to get saved."
You have that right. Calvinism is a centuries-old human philosophy that historically has had periodic waves of influence in the Christian faith. Each time, it fades back again due to its inherent logical and biblical inconsistencies.
Calvinism claims to exalt God more than traditional Christianity, not because it exalts His love and mercy for all people, but because it exalts an idea of His extreme control of all people. In the Calvinistic view, God unilaterally controls and determines literally everything in a universal puppet show so that all the glory is His.
brightfame52
Active Member
Calvinists get their alignment with John Calvin instead of scripture. Their faith is in what they are taught in their man made Theology.
Faith is the condition for salvation based on what the Bible tells us in more than one place. This disproves the idea of unconditional election
The good news of the gospel is that through faith we are given grace and forgiven of our sins due to what Jesus did for us by dying on the cross and coming back to life. Putting your faith in something is as much a choice as any of the other choices that you’ve made in life — yet Calvinism denies that Christians have that ability.
Oh how wrong they are.
brightfame52
Active Member
This is promoting work salvation
