Dishonoring the bodily sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Calvinism
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Duane
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John 12:32
Since Jesus said it then it is more then Possible. The phrase "draw all men unto Me" signifies the universal scope of Jesus' drawing power and the inclusive nature of the Gospel.
The message of the gospel, focused on Christ's death and resurrection, is one that "calls" to all people John 6:35-40. Unfortunately, not all will respond.
Kenny
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The phrase "with God all things are possible" is a direct quote from the Bible, found in Matthew 19:26. The full verse states, "Jesus looked at them and said, 'With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible'".
His gospel call is possible for anyone to accept. But like @Duane said in his post "Unfortunately, not all will respond."
brightfame52
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Nothing there helps, man naturally cant believe in Jesus Jn 6:44,65
brightfame52
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Man by nature isnt God, Im saying what Jesus says, man cant believe on Him Jn 6:44. Now with Divine Intervention thats different, God saves a person and then gives them the gift of faith to believe in Christ.
Kenny
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You have it backwards a cart/horse thing. Here is the correct order. First believe and have faith in Jesus then eternal life.
To inherit eternal life, according to Jesus in the Bible, you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.
While keeping the commandments is presented as the way to enter eternal life, Jesus emphasized that no one could perfectly keep them.
Therefore, achieving eternal life is not by human effort but a gift received through faith in Jesus Christ, which involves repenting of your sins and following Him
John 6:44 happens when we hear the Gospel.
brightfame52
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Nothing backwards, we need Divine Intervention to be able to believe in Christ Jn 6:44,65 because its not natural.
brightfame52
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Kenny
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If your saved you do not need to hear the Gospel.
Let’s break down the key parts of John 8:47. The first crucial element is “Whoever is of God hears.” This phrase establishes a relationship. The word “whoever” indicates that it is open to anyone willing to submit themselves to God. Our identity as children of God is rooted in our response to His call. The next important phrase is “hears the words of God.” Hearing involves more than just auditory processing; it requires an understanding that leads to action. It signifies an openness to absorb and apply God’s teachings in one’s life.
Next, we consider “The reason why you do not hear them.” They do not believe and chose to remain in their unbelief.
John 8:47 reminds us of the dynamic nature of our relationship with God. It pushes us to reflect on our ability to hear His words and respond authentically. In our lives, let us take intentional steps to cultivate a genuine connection with God so that we can truly hear and understand what He desires for us.
brightfame52
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@Kenny
Why not ? Its the good news of your salvation Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Thats one of the most unlearned comments Ive heard, the main purpose God sends the gospel out is so it will be good news to the saved
Why not ? Its the good news of your salvation Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Thats one of the most unlearned comments Ive heard, the main purpose God sends the gospel out is so it will be good news to the saved
Kenny
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I do not need to hear the Gospel because I responded to it the first time I heard it. Now I proclaim the Gospel to the lost.
Staying stuck on the Gospel is like a baby drinking milk when God had meat for us.
Believing in Jesus is necessary to obtaining eternal life.
John 3:14–16 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
brightfame52
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Im not talking about you.
Rather, it is your comment that is rather unlearned.
Romans 1:16 (LEB) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
brightfame52
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Jesus gives eternal life as a free gift Rom 6:23 and He gives it only to as many as the Father has given Him Jn 17:2-3 and when He gives it to one of them, then they hear His voice and follow Him or believe.
Kenny
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You just need ears to hear when someone shares the Gospel with you. Then it your call to accept Gods offer of salvation or reject it.
brightfame52
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The Gospel of ones salvation is sent to the saved duh. The gospel is foolish news to them that are lost 1 Cor 1:18
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish[lost] foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Its the power of God to them who are saved. Notice a saved Paul is identifying with the us, that's who the Gospel is the power of God to, this is elementary
Kenny
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That's Romans 6:23 taken out of context
In Romans 6:20–23, Paul invites Christians to consider their lives before coming to Christ and since. He also compares the contrasting rewards of each way of life: “When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Before salvation, we were slaves to sin and destined for death. But through faith in Jesus Christ, we received the gift of God, which is the salvation of souls unto eternal life: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him” (John 3:16–17).
The word gift (charisma in Greek) in Romans 6:23 means “a present given as a sign of good favor.” Ephesians 2:8–9 elaborates on this gift: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” The gift of God does not depend on our behavior. It cannot be earned, like a wage. The Bible calls it a “free gift” (Romans 6:23, ESV). We don’t work for the gift of eternal life; we receive it simply because God’s good favor is poured out on us.
The gift of God is His “abundant provision of grace.” It is “not like the trespass,” which brings death through sin. “God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ” brings everlasting life (Romans 5:15–17; see also Romans 3:24; Ephesians 1:7–8). Sin pays its wages in death, and sinners get what they deserve. But God bestows a free gift, and believers in Jesus Christ receive what they don’t deserve—eternal life.
GOT?
Kenny
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brightfame52
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@Kenny
No its not. Eternal life is a Gift given. He gives it to all the sheep the Father gave Him to die for Jn 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
No its not. Eternal life is a Gift given. He gives it to all the sheep the Father gave Him to die for Jn 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
