Did God Predestinate some to Hell/Wrath ?

[FreeInChrist]

Couple of translations,

Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version

Then will He say also to those on the left hand, Go from Me, the cursed, into the continuous fire that has been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;

Young's Literal Translation

Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
Smith's Literal Translation
Then shall he say to them from the left, Go away from me, the cursed, into eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his messengers:

Also us being on this public platform sharing religious views, we are being messengers to a degree, either for God or for the devil

I am for God. No doubt.

 

[brightfame52]

Indeed, literal translations

Correct that goes to show you. Youngs is a highly reliable greek scholar.

"To a degree", this is true, but we are not angels.

As it regards messengers we are.

 

[brightfame52]

It is wrong.

No its not wrong

 

[brightfame52]

A single angel

Duh yeah

 

[brightfame52]

You are human are you not? Does this include you?

If Im spreading a false gospel to people yes and the same for you

 

[brightfame52]

I am for God. No doubt.

Is God for you ? Is He for me ? Time will yell

 

[Doug Brents]

Correct that goes to show you. Youngs is a highly reliable greek scholar.



As it regards messengers we are.

You are stuck in the rut of your thinking, and not allowing Scripture to guide you. You may be a messenger, but you are not an angel. I am a messenger, but I am not an angel. Just because the word "angel" means messenger, it does not mean that all messengers are angels. All girls are human, but not all humans are angels. All rottweilers are dogs, not not all dogs are rottweilers. Learn distinctions.

 

[brightfame52]

You are stuck in the rut of your thinking, and not allowing Scripture to guide you.

Thats you.

 

[Doug Brents]

Thats you.

OH!! I'm hurt! Whatever shall I do to repair the damage of that cursed attack?

Come on bright. respond to the actual meat of the comment.
You may be a messenger, but you are not an angel. I am a messenger, but I am not an angel. Just because the word "angel" means messenger, it does not mean that all messengers are angels. All girls are human, but not all humans are angels. All rottweilers are dogs, not not all dogs are rottweilers. Learn distinctions.

 

[brightfame52]

OH!! I'm hurt! Whatever shall I do to repair the damage of that cursed attack?

To be honest its nothing you can do, God has to do it

You may be a messenger, but you are not an angel. I am a messenger

Thats what Im saying, so are them in Matt 25:41 they are messengers. I showed you that

Young's Literal Translation
Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;

The non elect are cursed Gal 3 10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[Doug Brents]

To be honest its nothing you can do, God has to do it

Obviously you don't understand sarcasm. Oh well....

Thats what Im saying, so are them in Matt 25:41 they are messengers. I showed you that

Angels, not messengers.

Young's Literal Translation
Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;

The non elect are cursed Gal 3 10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

All who are not saved will be cursed. But you are completely wrong when you say that God made people to be condemned. He made everyone with the ability to make the choice to follow Him or not. Those who follow Him receive salvation and are counted among the elect. Those who do not follow Him are not part of the elect. But this is all based upon the choice of the individual, not God. His decision on who is elect and who is not is based upon His foreknowledge of what each person chose (Rom 8:29).

 

[FreeInChrist]

Is God for you ? Is He for me ? Time will yell

He lives in me.

 

[brightfame52]

Angels, not messengers.

Both

 

[brightfame52]

The devil's messengers whom the lake of fire was prepared for, are them whose names were not written in the book of life, which simply are them whom God never Chose in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4. 9

 

[Doug Brents]

Both

Do you understand that there are a group of beings called angels that are different from mankind, just as dogs are different from fish. A dog may swim in the water, but that doesn't make it a fish. An man may be a messenger of God, but that doesn't make that man an angelic being. The angel may take the form of a man, but that doesn't make the angel a man. When Scripture speaks of angels (angelic beings), they are of necessity messengers. But that doesn't mean that every reference to messengers is an angel. And when Scripture uses the word angels, it is talking about the angelic beings, not men who are messengers.

 

[brightfame52]

Do you understand that there are a group of beings called angels that are different from mankind, just as dogs are different from fish.

And ? This makes no difference. Men are called Messengers/Angels Who was Jesus speaking of here Rev 1:20

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rev 2 4

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Were these men or angelic beings being written to

 

[Doug Brents]

And ? This makes no difference.

It makes a tremendous difference.

Men are called Messengers/Angels Who was Jesus speaking of here Rev 1:20

You are assuming that the "angels" in Rev 1:20 are men. But it doesn't say human messenger. It says aggelos (ἄγγελος), and aggelos is typically reserved for heavenly angels, while angelioforos (ἀγγελιοφόρος) is used for a human messenger or bearer of tidings. In Rev 1:20, ἄγγελοι (angeloi) is the word used. Plus, the context of the verse, the imagery of the angels being "stars" indicates that these are Heavenly angelic beings, not human messengers.

Were these men or angelic beings being written to

Heavenly angelic beings.

 

[brightfame52]

It makes a tremendous difference.

No it doesnt, either way the office of messenger is valid.

And also, it really doesnt make any difference, the goats are cursed by the Law in Matt 25 41 and they are going into the lake of fire, even if it was prepared for the devil and angels that fell with him. Hell was still their portion and heaven wasnt prepared for them as it was for the sheep Matt 25 34. By the goats being cursed, it means Christ didnt die for them, because if He had of, they also would have been redeemed from the curse of the Law, if he had been made a curse for them Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

 

[Doug Brents]

No it doesnt, either way the office of messenger is valid.

It matters greatly, because it shows how you distort the Scripture in order to promote non-biblical doctrines.

And also, it really doesnt make any difference, the goats are cursed by the Law in Matt 25 41 and they are going into the lake of fire, even if it was prepared for the devil and angels that fell with him. Hell was still their portion and heaven wasnt prepared for them as it was for the sheep Matt 25 34. By the goats being cursed, it means Christ didnt die for them, because if He had of, they also would have been redeemed from the curse of the Law, if he had been made a curse for them Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Again, it does matter. Yes, the goats are cursed. Why? Because of what they did, and the choices they made in this life (Matt 25:42-45). Not because they were made for condemnation. Heaven is being prepared for those who love and trust God and make the choice in this life to honor Him (Matt 25:34-40).

 

[brightfame52]

It matters greatly

No it doesnt, you just trying to escape the truth

Again, it does matter. Yes, the goats are cursed.

Yes they were because they had no substitute that was cursed in their behalf, like Christ was for the Sheep.

Because of what they did

Yeah in Adam , condemnation came upon them then, and they never had a substitute for them to be cursed in their behalf, so consequently they never come from under the condemnation of the law. They are born cursed children like these 2 Pet 2 14

2 Peter 2:14

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: