Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?

[MatthewG]

Now.

Do you see God as a tyrant because of this? If you do, then I would say that you are wrong. It was Gods plan, from the beginning to send his son.

”And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you“
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭17‬-‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

You can see here that Jesus as the Word of God, before coming down into flesh, was foreordained before the foundation of the world, and was manifest in these last times for you,

(Peter is writing to the dispersed)

”Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.“
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Because of Jesus and God being pleased in that the Law and covenant made with Israel was now complete, because of the fact that man could never keep Gods word, God by His Word, made proclamation which foreordained him in the beginning to be the one whom would offer up, the sacrifice needed in order for sin, and the Law which conveyed it would be fulfilled, and nailed to the cross by the Lord Jesus!

This is great news! For all believers today, in understanding that the Father, yes, did leave as Christ in Jesus, and Jesus was abandoned to die on the cross, in humility, and in love for his Father and others. Because it was going to bring forth mercy, and not only that but the Holy spirit which helps people in their lives, as they pray to the Father who rose his Son up again.

It may be hard to take some of these things, but may God give the increase to each and every person out there to know.

God has a name, your Father you can call him, but which ever one may comfortable with, Yahavah, Yehova, Jehovah, Yahweh. Call out to the one whom created all the things by his Word, who is the Lord Jesus, whom we pray in his name. God does love you and care about you.

Imagine the love that Jesus has even though left alone, he still had hope, and faith that his Father would rescue him!

 

[civic]

@civic

GOD IN CHRIST MOVED OUT OF JESUS BODY IN ORDER FOR HIM TO TAKE ON SIN, and be able to DIE…

If God never moved out of him… he would have never died, he was the Word of God, made flesh. The Word of God can never go higher than God.

Show me that verse where God moved out thanks

 

[MatthewG]

Show me that verse where God moved out thanks

We have been going over it many times.

My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?

Forsaken means left, deserted, here. To leave behind. God, in Christ, moved out, of the Lord Yeshua, on the cross. This is where we see, Jesus cry, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?

How do we know God was in Christ?

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

What is happening on the Cross? The Body of Sin for sacrifice. God moved out of that body, because God can not “indwell in sin” “nor can sin indwell in him.”

 

[civic]

We have been going over it many times.

My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?

Forsaken means left, deserted, here. To leave behind. God, in Christ, moved out, of the Lord Yeshua, on the cross. This is where we see, Jesus cry, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?

How do we know God was in Christ?

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

What is happening on the Cross? The Body of Sin for sacrifice. God moved out of that body, because God can not “indwell in sin” “nor can sin indwell in him.”

You believe Jesus literally became sin , a sinner indwelt with sin ?

 

[MatthewG]

You believe Jesus literally became sin , a sinner indwelt with sin ?

Civic, I believe what is stated here, by Paul.

That seems to be what happened. Jesus gave up his life and that blood he had shed was the payment. At death, he went on to Sheol with everyone that had been there since Adam on wards with this in prison spreading some message. Then was raised again on the third day. That body became fulfilled with the Mosaic Law, which caused death, and the wages of sin is death. Jesus gave up his life, left alone, suffering, experiencing death, afterlife, his burial and resurrection. Jesus didn’t go directly to heaven. Not until the justification was fulfilled fulfillment of scripture of three days later risen from the dead. Was justice for the payment of the sin paid on that body that laid on the cross, and three days, with Gods Spirit rising him back from the dead; guilt free of sin ( because he never did in the first place ) he just allowed sin to taken over the body for a death which Adam brought into the world, and Jesus would bring forth life because of the spirit he gives to all who come to the father.

”We know that our body—the tent we live in here on earth—will be destroyed. But when that happens, God will have a home for us to live in. It will not be the kind of home people build here. It will be a home in heaven that will continue forever. But now we are tired of this body. We want God to give us our heavenly home. It will clothe us and we will not be naked. While we live in this tent, we have burdens and so we complain. I don’t mean that we want to remove this tent, but we want to be clothed with our heavenly home. Then this body that dies will be covered with life. This is what God himself made us for. And he has given us the Spirit as the first payment to guarantee the life to come. So we always have confidence. We know that while we live in this body, we are away from the Lord. We live by what we believe will happen, not by what we can see. So I say that we have confidence. And we really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord. Our only goal is to always please the Lord, whether we are living here in this body or there with him. We must all stand before Christ to be judged. Everyone will get what they should. They will be paid for whatever they did—good or bad—when they lived in this earthly body. We know what it means to fear the Lord, so we try to help people accept the truth. God knows what we really are, and I hope that in your hearts you know us too.

We are not trying to prove ourselves to you again. But we are telling you about ourselves. We are giving you reasons to be proud of us. Then you will have an answer for those who are proud about what can be seen.

They don’t care about what is in a person’s heart. If we are crazy, it is for God. If we have our right mind, it is for you. The love of Christ controls us, because we know that one person died for everyone. So all have died. He died for all so that those who live would not continue to live for themselves.

He died for them and was raised from death so that they would live for him. From this time on we don’t think of anyone as the world thinks of people. It is true that in the past we thought of Christ as the world thinks. But we don’t think that way now. When anyone is in Christ, it is a whole new world. The old things are gone; suddenly, everything is new! All this is from God.

Through Christ, God made peace between himself and us. And God gave us the work of bringing people into peace with him. I mean that God was in Christ, making peace between the world and himself. In Christ, God did not hold people guilty for their sins. And he gave us this message of peace to tell people.

So we have been sent to speak for Christ. It is like God is calling to people through us. We speak for Christ when we beg you to be at peace with God.

Christ had no sin, but God made him become sin so that in Christ we could be right with God.“
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭21‬ ‭ERV

 

[civic]

We have been going over it many times.

My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?

Forsaken means left, deserted, here. To leave behind. God, in Christ, moved out, of the Lord Yeshua, on the cross. This is where we see, Jesus cry, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?

How do we know God was in Christ?

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

What is happening on the Cross? The Body of Sin for sacrifice. God moved out of that body, because God can not “indwell in sin” “nor can sin indwell in him.”

If God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, when did the reconciliation take place ?

Romans 5:6-11
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

 

[synergy]

If God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, when did the reconciliation take place ?

Romans 5:6-11
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Excellent point! If God abandoned Christ then our reconciliation is called into question! Well done!

 

[civic]

Excellent point! If God abandoned Christ then our reconciliation is called into question! Well done!

Amen

 

[MatthewG]

I have no problems with God leaving, Jesus alone on the cross, in Christ.

Thank you @civic and @synergy for participating in the thread. Hope it helps.

 

[MatthewG]

If God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, when did the reconciliation take place ?

Romans 5:6-11
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Did you decide to answer your own question?
Good!
God was in Christ, you can find that out by reading the scriptures we done went over.

 

[MatthewG]

Excellent point! If God abandoned Christ then our reconciliation is called into question! Well done!

No it does not.

We are reconciled by the blood of Jesus - he makes us right with God because God rose him up for the justifications of paying for sins, and nailing the ordinances of those charges on the cross.

The only question about if you are having a relationship with God or not, is if you have a relationship with God or not by and through Yeshua, whom you believe died, was buried, and resurrected.

 

[civic]

Did you decide to answer your own question?
Good!
God was in Christ, you can find that out by reading the scriptures we done went over.

If God was in Christ reconciling the world though Him on the cross where redemption took place then God did not leave Him, abandon Him, stop dwelling in Him etc......

 

[MatthewG]

If God was in Christ reconciling the world though Him on the cross where redemption took place then God did not leave Him, abandon Him, stop dwelling in Him etc......

I’m not gonna be fooled in taking your word for it sir, it wasn’t you screaming “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me,” I’ve done went over this with you… you don’t have memory problems do you?

The last thing I need to do is believe you, or anyone else, over what the Lord God has been able to teach me by the spirit… concerning this subject. I could be wrong but I don’t believe I have been dishonest in my evaluation.

 

[civic]

I’m not gonna be fooled in taking your word for it sir, it wasn’t you screaming “My God, My God, why have your forsaken me,” I’ve done went over this with you… you don’t have memory problems do you?

I'm writing a book on the topic and I have studied this in great depth for years. The Tri-Unity of God is indivisible- God cannot be divided, cannot be un-unified, cannot be broken, dissolved, be apart, be separated, not for even a millisecond.

God the Father did not forsake His Beloved Son in whom He was well pleased. Together as One- They accomplished our salvation though their plan from the beginning. Love never abandons its own or forsakes its own. In love the Father sent the Son into this world for the very purpose of the cross. To bring salvation to this world through His death, burial and Resurrection from the dead- ie the gospel of our salvation.

hope this helps !!!

 

[MatthewG]

I'm writing a book on the topic and I have studied this in great depth for years. The Tri-Unity of God is indivisible- God cannot be divided, cannot be un-unified, cannot be broken, dissolved, be apart, be separated, not for even a millisecond.

God the Father did not forsake His Beloved Son in whom He was well pleased. Together as One- They accomplished our salvation though their plan from the beginning. Love never abandons its own or forsakes its own. In love the Father sent the Son into this world for the very purpose of the cross. To bring salvation to this world through His death, burial and Resurrection from the dead- ie the gospel of our salvation.

hope this helps !!!

I don’t care what you have done over the past years. You’re not my Father, I’ll tell you that bluntly. No amount of studying means anything if it doesn’t bring forth truth… and spiritual maturity.

You wanna continue to override Jesus words who stated “My God My God why have you forsaken (left behind, deserted) me.”

That’s being dishonest, … I hate that.

 

[civic]

I don’t care what you have done over the past years. You’re not my Father, I’ll tell you that bluntly. No amount of studying means anything if it doesn’t bring forth truth…

I have provided plenty of scriptures well over a dozen that teach God never forsakes His people. God never abandons them- He is always with them, hears their prayers and His spirit never departs from them as per Romans 8. I will NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU.

But you believe the exact opposite that the Father forsook His only Son- That God forsook God.

Your view of Psalm 22:1 cannot be correct in light of all the promises of God teach the exact opposite of your misunderstanding of Psalm 22:1

hope this helps !!!

 

[MatthewG]

I have provided plenty of scriptures well over a dozen that teach God never forsakes His people. God never abandons them- He is always with them, hears their prayers and His spirit never departs from them as per Romans 8. I will NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU.

But you believe the exact opposite that the Father forsook His only Son- That God forsook God.

Your view of Psalm 22:1 cannot be correct in light of all the promises of God teach the exact opposite of your misunderstanding of Psalm 22:1

hope this helps !!

I don’t care.

You have Jesus saying “God forsaked him.”

So stop lying, or continue. That’s your choice.

How you gonna lie about what God did leaving his Son there?

 

[civic]

I don’t care.

You have Jesus saying God forsaked him.

So stop lying, or continue,

No God did not forsake Him.

10 plus passages below about Gods everlasting promise to never leave you, abandon you or forsake you. Psalm 22:1 cannot mean the opposite of all these passages. That is a blatant contradiction and makes God a liar.

Psalm 94:14- For the Lord will not forsake his people; he will not abandon his heritage

1 Samuel 12:22
Indeed, for the sake of His great name, the LORD will not abandon His people, because He was pleased to make you His own.

1 Chronicles 28:20
Then David said to Solomon his son, “Be strong and courageous and do it. Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed, for the Lord God, even my God, is with you. He will not leave you or forsake you

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

1 Kings 8:57- The Lord our God be with us, as he was with our fathers. May he not leave us or forsake us,

Hebrews 13:5- Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: "Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Psalm 9:10
And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee

Psalm 37:25, 28
I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread: For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Isaiah 41:17- The poor and needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them

 

[MatthewG]

No God did not forsake Him.

10 plus passages below about Gods everlasting promise to never leave you, abandon you or forsake you. Psalm 22:1 cannot mean the opposite of all these passages. That is a blatant contradiction and makes God a liar.

Psalm 94:14- For the Lord will not forsake his people; he will not abandon his heritage

1 Samuel 12:22
Indeed, for the sake of His great name, the LORD will not abandon His people, because He was pleased to make you His own.

1 Chronicles 28:20
Then David said to Solomon his son, “Be strong and courageous and do it. Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed, for the Lord God, even my God, is with you. He will not leave you or forsake you

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

1 Kings 8:57- The Lord our God be with us, as he was with our fathers. May he not leave us or forsake us,

Hebrews 13:5- Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: "Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Psalm 9:10
And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee

Psalm 37:25, 28
I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread: For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Isaiah 41:17- The poor and needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them

Yes, he did x stop trying to override Jesus and his words.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t care how much scripture you use @civic. You’re not gonna pass up what Jesus said, you aren’t even able to address it. You ignore it…