Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?

There can be no breach between the Father and the Son, no division, no separation.
God is One. You don't understand it. We don't understand it. No one can understand the things belonging only to God.

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Dt 6:4.

Reform your thinking and bring it in compliance with the Word of God.

Well, Jesus prayed for people to come to know the true, God.

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Yes, I know Yahweh, the LORD and God of Jesus, is most certainly one God. You have Yahavah, and Yahavahs Word in the beginning together, with the Holy Spirit of Yahavah. I do not see anything significant other than, Yahavah, and Yahavah whom sent his LOGOS, were one by merit of Yahavah were coming all of things to create, but by his Word, it then came into being...

1 Corinthians 8:6

King James Version

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

How is it that people claim Yeshua, is the one whom created all the things that are seen within the earth? Where did those things come from? The Father? Whom sent, the one whom became named Jesus... Yahweh, or Yahavah, some say Jehovah... some say you can't say Gods name, some say it's Jesus name that is Gods name, but what is true in all of those things...


At about three, Yeshua uttered a loud cry, Eli! Eli! L’mah sh’vaktani? (My God! My God! Why have you deserted me?)

What is truth? You say no, but then I can just quote this again, and it's hard pressed to deny that is was not something that is happening at that moment. You continue to suggest I need to reform my thinking, to what ? Your understanding? What about understanding by sake of the Spirit, and not to just pander off, that Yeshua is possibly lying here at this point if God ,is not deserting him at the time of his death, in which there was a separation from Yahavah, and Yahavah's Word... which, though names Jesus, was a soul traveling around from paradise to prison, before being risen up on the third day...

Did God forsake his Son forever? No. Yahweh, did not forget about his son, nor did he forsake his "Word" forever either... There was a fulfilment of scripture, with Yeshua, and with Yahweh being reconciled back the world and restoring things like when Adam and Eve, and Yahavah had lived together in harmony before sin had caused disruption - now Sin today, is paid for, and the only disruption for many people is lack of faith, or belief that even God had raised his son up from the dead by the holy spirit of Yahavah. God raised his "Word" back from the dead, instating a new covenant which would be open to all of mankind, where Yahavah would start to lead a person by writing on their heart his will, and ways to those who seek him out in faith, deligently.


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Jesus SAID THAT GOD FORSOOK HIM. Consequently, that's what happened.

Simple as that. I'll ask about the details later (if I even have to).

Everything else about it is nothing but "theology".

At least quote the words you're claiming to be so.

Jesus very clear said that He was not alone.....

If you're going to insist that the Father left Christ alone, prove it. The Father didn't help the Son nor rescue Him from His condition. There was ZERO abandonment.

What Christ was doing was purposed by God and The Father NEVER ABANDONED Christ.

@MatthewG

You should realize that the connotations found in the English language are not Inspired nor relative to your conclusions.
 
There can be no breach between the Father and the Son, no division, no separation.
God is One. You don't understand it. We don't understand it. No one can understand the things belonging only to God.

I thought we had the "mind of Christ"?

It has always amazed but some people claim knowledge when it "suits" their needs and then claim otherwise when they can't explain something.

Seeing through a "dark glass" doesn't = not being able to see anything at all.
 
At least quote the words you're claiming to be so.

Jesus very clear said that He was not alone.....

If you're going to insist that the Father left Christ alone, prove it. The Father didn't help the Son nor rescue Him from His condition. There was ZERO abandonment.

What Christ was doing was purposed by God and The Father NEVER ABANDONED Christ.

@MatthewG

You should realize that the connotations found in the English language are not Inspired nor relative to your conclusions.

Im okay with whatever I believe... as long as I am not personally condemned. You are free to make the same decision. Liberty is very much something we really desire... control, over others is far more... bonding in the wrong places and need a exit door to lot 72, where pink panter is underneath a light that is on because of the sun having just went down, and the moon having just risen up.






Like I said, I believe Christ in Yeshua, was leaving him. Yeshua, the Word of God, went to sheol. Traveled from Paradise, to prison, told a message we dont know exactly what, and then he is raised again on the third day by the Holy Spirit of Yahweh. Restoring once more, Jesus Christ, with again now the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, has risen Yeshua, the Word, back from the dead in order to establish what was promised...



Jesus Predicts His Death​

31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.

33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Jesus Predicts His Death a Second Time​

30 They left that place and passed through Galilee. Jesus did not want anyone to know where they were, 31 because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.” 32 But they did not understand what he meant and were afraid to ask him about it.

Jesus Predicts His Death a Third Time​

32 They were on their way up to Jerusalem, with Jesus leading the way, and the disciples were astonished, while those who followed were afraid. Again he took the Twelve aside and told them what was going to happen to him. 33 “We are going up to Jerusalem,” he said, “and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles, 34 who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise.”



Just as I look as Psalm 22 having come to fruition, it doesn't stop the abandonment for a short moment of time, three days compared to 1500, years of waiting of Yeshua to come upon the scene if any of it is remotely true at all, which again is up the person and their choice, and I believe God calls out to all.



No one should ever follow or trust me, but be couraged to seek out truth, for oneself and the bible and the spirit of Yahavah, which is holy, will help you if you ask him, and ask in the name of the Lord Yeshua, praying and calling out to the one whom has and had sent him, to earth in that day in time.
 
Well, Jesus prayed for people to come to know the true, God.



Yes, I know Yahweh, the LORD and God of Jesus, is most certainly one God. You have Yahavah, and Yahavahs Word in the beginning together, with the Holy Spirit of Yahavah. I do not see anything significant other than, Yahavah, and Yahavah whom sent his LOGOS, were one by merit of Yahavah were coming all of things to create, but by his Word, it then came into being...



How is it that people claim Yeshua, is the one whom created all the things that are seen within the earth? Where did those things come from? The Father? Whom sent, the one whom became named Jesus... Yahweh, or Yahavah, some say Jehovah... some say you can't say Gods name, some say it's Jesus name that is Gods name, but what is true in all of those things...




What is truth? You say no, but then I can just quote this again, and it's hard pressed to deny that is was not something that is happening at that moment. You continue to suggest I need to reform my thinking, to what ? Your understanding? What about understanding by sake of the Spirit, and not to just pander off, that Yeshua is possibly lying here at this point if God ,is not deserting him at the time of his death, in which there was a separation from Yahavah, and Yahavah's Word... which, though names Jesus, was a soul traveling around from paradise to prison, before being risen up on the third day...

Did God forsake his Son forever? No. Yahweh, did not forget about his son, nor did he forsake his "Word" forever either... There was a fulfilment of scripture, with Yeshua, and with Yahweh being reconciled back the world and restoring things like when Adam and Eve, and Yahavah had lived together in harmony before sin had caused disruption - now Sin today, is paid for, and the only disruption for many people is lack of faith, or belief that even God had raised his son up from the dead by the holy spirit of Yahavah. God raised his "Word" back from the dead, instating a new covenant which would be open to all of mankind, where Yahavah would start to lead a person by writing on their heart his will, and ways to those who seek him out in faith, deligently.


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If God sent the Logos where did it come from but from God and is God.

You are ignoring a cornerstone Scripture that addresses your statements.

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Tim. 3:16.

Who is more glorious than God?

Next you'll be telling me God separated from the Son at death because God cannot die.
Or that God DID die.

Yours sounds like Oneness.

That was refuted decades ago as heresy.
And all the minor offshoots from it that you believe.
Go ahead and get the last word.
I'm gone.
 
If God sent the Logos where did it come from but from God and is God.

You are ignoring a cornerstone Scripture that addresses your statements.

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Tim. 3:16.

Who is more glorious than God?

Next you'll be telling me God separated from the Son at death because God cannot die.
Or that God DID die.

Yours sounds like Oneness.

That was refuted decades ago as heresy.
And all the minor offshoots from it that you believe.
Go ahead and get the last word.
I'm gone.
I have not really avoided anything. You can conflate your issue all you would like to, sir. I have been straight forward with you and open in no shame… of what’s already been shared.
 
I thought we had the "mind of Christ"?

It has always amazed but some people claim knowledge when it "suits" their needs and then claim otherwise when they can't explain something.

Seeing through a "dark glass" doesn't = not being able to see anything at all.
I was blind but now I see.

The Mind of Christ is the Scripture. The Word of God. In it we know what God thinks about everything which we have to do (Heb. 4:12-13.)
 
Hello, this something I am going to be teaching.

Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?
Jesus was not truly and completely forsaken by God the Father, nor was He separated from the Father on the cross. This would be an exaggeration of the idea of being forsaken.

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22:1 ("My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"), but this was not just a quote - it also reflected the profound anguish and suffering Jesus was experiencing as He bore the sins of humanity.

While Jesus felt a significant sense of being forsaken by God in that moment, the Father did not actually abandon or separate Himself from the Son.

Jesus remained in unity with the Father throughout His suffering and death on the cross.

The suffering and separation Jesus experienced was due to Him taking on the penalty for sin and receiving the Father's righteous wrath, not because the Father had truly forsaken Him. This was part of God's plan of redemption and reconciliation.
The unity of the Godhead was never broken, even in Christ's darkest hour.
Matthew 27:46

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

Psalm 22:24

For He has not despised or detested the torment of the afflicted. He has not hidden His face from him, but has attended to his cry for help.

John 8:29

He who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.”

John 16:32

Look, an hour is coming and has already come when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and you will leave Me all alone. Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
DID THE FATHER FORSAKE THE SON ON THE CROSS?
In Matthew 27 and Mark 15, it records Jesus saying from the cross:

Matthew 27:45-46

Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

Two wrong ways to take this statement of Jesus:

“Jesus was truly and completely forsaken by God the Father, separated from the Father on the cross.” This exaggerates the idea of forsaken.
“Jesus was just quoting Psalm 22 to let everyone know that He was the fulfillment of that psalm.” This understates the idea of forsaken.
The true idea is somewhere in the middle of these extremes.

When Jesus said in Matthew 27:46 (also recorded in Mark 15:34) My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? The statement came from the great pain and suffering Jesus experienced on the cross. Through His life, Jesus had experienced both physical and emotional suffering in His life but never knew separation from His Father. Now, in some sense, Jesus knew it. There was a significant sense in which Jesus rightly felt forsaken by God the Father at this moment.

I like what Spurgeon said regarding this: “His one moan is concerning his God. It is not, ‘Why has Peter forsaken me? Why has Judas betrayed me?’ These were sharp griefs, but this is the sharpest. This stroke has cut him to the quick.” (Spurgeon)

As horrible as the physical suffering of Jesus was, this spiritual suffering – the act of being judged for sin in our place – was what Jesus really dreaded about the cross. This was the cup – the cup of God’s righteous wrath – that He trembled at drinking (Luke 22:39-46, Psalm 75:8, Isaiah 51:17, Jeremiah 25:15). On the cross, Jesus became, as it were, an enemy of God who was judged and forced to drink the cup of the Father’s fury. He did it so we would not have to drink that cup.

Isaiah 53:3-5 puts it powerfully:

He is despised and rejected by men, a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.

2 Corinthians 5:21

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

For He [God the Father]

made Him [Jesus, God the Son]

who knew no sin to be sin for us,

that we might become the righteousness of God in Him [Jesus].

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself: Through all the terrors of the cross, God the Father worked in and with God the Son, reconciling the world to Himself. The Father and the Son worked together on the cross.

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself is all the more amazing when understood in light of what happened on the cross. At some point before Jesus died, before the veil was torn in two, before Jesus cried out “it is finished,” an awesome spiritual transaction took place. The Father set upon the Son all the guilt and wrath our sin deserved, and Jesus bore it in Himself perfectly, totally satisfying the justice of God for us.

Yet, at the same time, Paul makes it clear that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. They worked together. Though Jesus was being treated as if He were an enemy of God, He was not. Even as Jesus was punished as if He were a sinner, He performed the most holy service unto God the Father ever offered. This is why Isaiah can say, Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him (Isaiah 53:10). In and of itself, the suffering of the Son did not please the Father, but as it accomplished the work of reconciling the world to Himself, it completely pleased God the Father.

What Jesus did on the cross, in putting Himself in the place of guilty sinners, was the greatest act of love and self-sacrifice the universe has ever seen. While I don’t mind saying that Jesus felt forsaken of the favor of God the Father at that moment, there is a sense in which Jesus was never more in the Father’s favor as He performed this greatest act of love.

“I even venture to say that, if it had been possible for God’s love towards his Son to be increased, he would have delighted in him more when he was standing as the suffering Representative of his chosen people than ever he had delighted in him before.” (Spurgeon)

Remember that this was phrased in a question: Why have You forsaken Me? Yes, Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 – that great psalm of the Messiah’s suffering and triumph. But it wasn’t only a quote; we can also take it as a legitimate question.

We can imagine the answer to Jesus’ question: Why? “Because My Son, You have chosen to stand in the place of guilty sinners. You, who have never known sin, have made the infinite sacrifice to become sin and receive My just wrath upon sin and sinners. You do this because of Your great love, and because of My great love.” Then the Father might give the Son a glimpse of His reward – the righteously-robed multitude of His people on heaven’s golden streets, singing praises to the Lamb of God – surely, this was part of the answer to the question Jesus asked.

In that cry (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34), Jesus expresses both His partnership with God the Father (My God) and the agonizing feeling of receiving the wrath of God that we deserved (Why have You forsaken Me?)

So, we don’t want to err on either side.

We don’t want to think as if Jesus was truly and completely forsaken by God the Father, separated from the Father on the cross. This exaggerates the idea of forsaken.
We don’t want to think as if Jesus was just quoting Psalm 22 to let everyone know that He was the fulfillment of that psalm. This understates the idea of forsaken.
 
Jesus was not truly and completely forsaken by God the Father, nor was He separated from the Father on the cross. This would be an exaggeration of the idea of being forsaken.

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22:1 ("My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"), but this was not just a quote - it also reflected the profound anguish and suffering Jesus was experiencing as He bore the sins of humanity.

While Jesus felt a significant sense of being forsaken by God in that moment, the Father did not actually abandon or separate Himself from the Son.

Jesus remained in unity with the Father throughout His suffering and death on the cross.

The suffering and separation Jesus experienced was due to Him taking on the penalty for sin and receiving the Father's righteous wrath, not because the Father had truly forsaken Him. This was part of God's plan of redemption and reconciliation.
The unity of the Godhead was never broken, even in Christ's darkest hour.
Matthew 27:46

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

Psalm 22:24

For He has not despised or detested the torment of the afflicted. He has not hidden His face from him, but has attended to his cry for help.

John 8:29

He who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.”

John 16:32

Look, an hour is coming and has already come when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and you will leave Me all alone. Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
DID THE FATHER FORSAKE THE SON ON THE CROSS?
In Matthew 27 and Mark 15, it records Jesus saying from the cross:

Matthew 27:45-46

Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

Two wrong ways to take this statement of Jesus:

“Jesus was truly and completely forsaken by God the Father, separated from the Father on the cross.” This exaggerates the idea of forsaken.
“Jesus was just quoting Psalm 22 to let everyone know that He was the fulfillment of that psalm.” This understates the idea of forsaken.
The true idea is somewhere in the middle of these extremes.

When Jesus said in Matthew 27:46 (also recorded in Mark 15:34) My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? The statement came from the great pain and suffering Jesus experienced on the cross. Through His life, Jesus had experienced both physical and emotional suffering in His life but never knew separation from His Father. Now, in some sense, Jesus knew it. There was a significant sense in which Jesus rightly felt forsaken by God the Father at this moment.

I like what Spurgeon said regarding this: “His one moan is concerning his God. It is not, ‘Why has Peter forsaken me? Why has Judas betrayed me?’ These were sharp griefs, but this is the sharpest. This stroke has cut him to the quick.” (Spurgeon)

As horrible as the physical suffering of Jesus was, this spiritual suffering – the act of being judged for sin in our place – was what Jesus really dreaded about the cross. This was the cup – the cup of God’s righteous wrath – that He trembled at drinking (Luke 22:39-46, Psalm 75:8, Isaiah 51:17, Jeremiah 25:15). On the cross, Jesus became, as it were, an enemy of God who was judged and forced to drink the cup of the Father’s fury. He did it so we would not have to drink that cup.

Isaiah 53:3-5 puts it powerfully:

He is despised and rejected by men, a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.

2 Corinthians 5:21

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

For He [God the Father]

made Him [Jesus, God the Son]

who knew no sin to be sin for us,

that we might become the righteousness of God in Him [Jesus].

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself: Through all the terrors of the cross, God the Father worked in and with God the Son, reconciling the world to Himself. The Father and the Son worked together on the cross.

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself is all the more amazing when understood in light of what happened on the cross. At some point before Jesus died, before the veil was torn in two, before Jesus cried out “it is finished,” an awesome spiritual transaction took place. The Father set upon the Son all the guilt and wrath our sin deserved, and Jesus bore it in Himself perfectly, totally satisfying the justice of God for us.

Yet, at the same time, Paul makes it clear that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. They worked together. Though Jesus was being treated as if He were an enemy of God, He was not. Even as Jesus was punished as if He were a sinner, He performed the most holy service unto God the Father ever offered. This is why Isaiah can say, Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him (Isaiah 53:10). In and of itself, the suffering of the Son did not please the Father, but as it accomplished the work of reconciling the world to Himself, it completely pleased God the Father.

What Jesus did on the cross, in putting Himself in the place of guilty sinners, was the greatest act of love and self-sacrifice the universe has ever seen. While I don’t mind saying that Jesus felt forsaken of the favor of God the Father at that moment, there is a sense in which Jesus was never more in the Father’s favor as He performed this greatest act of love.

“I even venture to say that, if it had been possible for God’s love towards his Son to be increased, he would have delighted in him more when he was standing as the suffering Representative of his chosen people than ever he had delighted in him before.” (Spurgeon)

Remember that this was phrased in a question: Why have You forsaken Me? Yes, Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 – that great psalm of the Messiah’s suffering and triumph. But it wasn’t only a quote; we can also take it as a legitimate question.

We can imagine the answer to Jesus’ question: Why? “Because My Son, You have chosen to stand in the place of guilty sinners. You, who have never known sin, have made the infinite sacrifice to become sin and receive My just wrath upon sin and sinners. You do this because of Your great love, and because of My great love.” Then the Father might give the Son a glimpse of His reward – the righteously-robed multitude of His people on heaven’s golden streets, singing praises to the Lamb of God – surely, this was part of the answer to the question Jesus asked.

In that cry (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34), Jesus expresses both His partnership with God the Father (My God) and the agonizing feeling of receiving the wrath of God that we deserved (Why have You forsaken Me?)

So, we don’t want to err on either side.

We don’t want to think as if Jesus was truly and completely forsaken by God the Father, separated from the Father on the cross. This exaggerates the idea of forsaken.
We don’t want to think as if Jesus was just quoting Psalm 22 to let everyone know that He was the fulfillment of that psalm. This understates the idea of forsaken.
forsaken. or, leave Me in this circumstance (LNT). Gr. egkataleipō (S# G1459, 2Co_4:9). Did You leave in translates egkatelipes; Moulton says on this word, "Egkataleipō will serve as a type of some others: kataleipō abandon (perfective) is supplemented with en, pointing to the plight in which the victim is left" (James Hope Moulton, A Grammar of New Testament Greek, Vol. 2, p. 305, § 118, (a)). [The Greek has been transliterated.] The term is a compound word made up of en (in), kata (down, downwards), and leipō (to leave). So, in keeping with its definitive characteristics, the word means to leave in some circumstance. Note that Moulton’s term, perfective, means that the preposition en, expresses completion to the rest of the word in this context. Christ was left, but in what sense? En, in, the redemptive role: suffering, bloodshed, death! God cannot leave, forsake, or run out on God the Son. God IS one, as in a state of being, and there cannot be departure whatsoever among the Trinity, of the One from the Other. God’s effort was not abandonment, but redemption! We further note that the same word, egkatelipen, is used of Demas forsaking Paul (2Ti_4:10). Thus Paul was left, but in what sense? He was left in the plight of desertion. The purpose of the leaving declares the difference in meaning: Demas’ purpose was another love, requiring a separation; God’s purpose was redemption, requiring togetherness and oneness (LNT, fn i). $>Psa_22:1; Psa_69:17; Psa_88:14, Lam_3:8, **Hab_1:13, 2Co_5:21, Heb_13:5 g.
 
Jesus was not truly and completely forsaken by God the Father, nor was He separated from the Father on the cross. This would be an exaggeration of the idea of being forsaken.

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22:1 ("My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"), but this was not just a quote - it also reflected the profound anguish and suffering Jesus was experiencing as He bore the sins of humanity.

I don’t believe it would be to far of a stretch to said Yahweh and His Word was separated but only for a moment of time…

Forsaken, means abandon.

It’s being left behind…


There are two total recording, Matthew and Mark. The only question was quoting a psalm a fulfillment or just a quoting just to quote it?
 
I don’t believe it would be to far of a stretch to said Yahweh and His Word was separated but only for a moment of time…

Forsaken, means abandon.

It’s being left behind…


There are two total recording, Matthew and Mark. The only question was quoting a psalm a fulfillment or just a quoting just to quote it?
The psalm answers the question so as to know He was not ever abandoned.

24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help
 
I don’t believe it would be to far of a stretch to said Yahweh and His Word was separated but only for a moment of time…

Forsaken, means abandon.

It’s being left behind…


There are two total recording, Matthew and Mark. The only question was quoting a psalm a fulfillment or just a quoting just to quote it?
I believe you are correct--

(Heb.: 22:2-3) In the first division, Psa_22:2, the disconsolate cry of anguish, beginning here in Psa_22:2 with the lamentation over prolonged desertion by God, struggles through to an incipient, trustfully inclined prayer. The question beginning with לָמָּה (instead of לָמָּה before the guttural, and perhaps to make the exclamation more piercing, vid., on Psa_6:5; Psa_10:1) is not an expression of impatience and despair, but of alienation and yearning. The sufferer feels himself rejected of God; the feeling of divine wrath has completely enshrouded him; and still he knows himself to be joined to God in fear and love; his present condition belies the real nature of his relationship to God; and it is just this contradiction that urges him to the plaintive question, which comes up from the lowest depths: Why hast Thou forsaken me? But in spite of this feeling of desertion by God, the bond of love is not torn asunder; the sufferer calls God אֵלִי (my God), and urged on by the longing desire that God again would grant him to feel this love, he calls Him, אֵלִי אֵלִי. That complaining question: why hast Thou forsaken me? is not without example even elsewhere in Psa_88:15, cf. Isa_49:14. The forsakenness of the Crucified One, however, is unique; and may not be judged by the standard of David or of any other sufferers who thus complain when passing through trial.
keil and Delitzsch.

And it was a fulfillment of prophecy not just quoting a quote. This is a profound passage in Scripture and I dare not rely on my intellect as to what really happened with Christ Jesus darkest hours on the cross.
 
Hello, this something I am going to be teaching.

Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?

First things first, let’s look at and consider the Greek definition of the word; doctrine, in Greek.





Let’s see if we can by the spirit see, if Yahavah did forsake the man, whom was his beloved Son, which was the Word which was sent down from above. Have you ever questioned or thought about it?

Did God forsake Jesus on the Cross?



Let’s consider,





I believe that Jesus had hope of being redeemed and resurrected and glorified in his heart and soul. Jesus also had God within Him, as Christ.




With this in mind, of God being in Christ, let’s look at the cross one more time, by the subject matter. You have the Pharisees wragging their heads at Jesus, mocking him, and then Jesus cries out.




have you forsaken
ἐγκατέλιπες (enkatelipes)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 2nd Person Singular
Strong's 1459: From en and kataleipo; to leave behind in some place, i.e. let remain over, or to desert.

Many people desire to express that Jesus is feeling this way. However, it’s a reality in which God had forsaken the Body which Jesus had given up in order for it to be the sacrifice for sins forever after three days in which God resurrected the only Begotten Son of God.

If God was in Christ. And Jesus had the ability to lay down his own life or not, God not being able to indwell sin that had partaken in that body (the Law fully), given forth the weight and sting of death, in restoring everything back to the way it was in the Garden.

God forsake Jesus, and while Jesus still had hope, God left him there to die. Which somewhere is mentioned in Psalms where it pleased God to crush his son, because of the eternal precious blood that outweighed sin, having been the very Word of God, which came down and was born within flesh. Jesus was the first man to be of heavenly originality, as the Word of God, which was expressed through Jesus as a man now wrapped in flesh. However, while Jesus body had yet to retain sin, and Jesus allows death to ensue by giving up his own life, Yahavah/Yahweh/Jehovah in Christ, the anointed one named Emmanuel, (God with us), and Jesus, (who would save his people from their sins) who paid for the wages of sin in death as a willful, unselfish, and goodwilled by the Spirit of the Father in order for us to also partake in his death, burial and resurrection. I’m not saying getting a cross and carrying around all day in town means very much of very little but if you are living your life before your Father in faith, and seek Him, and you seem to love God and live loving others by the spirit, continue in one’s own godliness (which is to say continue in your devotion towards your Father daily and be encouraged to take time to reflect and read one’s Bible of their choice and grow to know more about God who loves you and desires to give you new life.

It’s interesting to think about, the abandoned house of Jesus no longer “Christ” because God in Christ, left him. Jesus was left utterly alone, and died on the cross. Three days later by the Spirit of Yahavah, Jesus was restored back filled with life. (Thinking about the decay of a body which died for sin perfectly, and the disciples can’t see spirits, Jesus body that is seen I wonder if it really had much decay, even after taking on the sins of the world (which was the commandments which the people of Israel could never keep except some whom were deemed blameless under the law. (Just a few extra side thiughts.)

Thank you for reading.
No he did not forsake him

Psalm 22:1–24 (KJV 1900) — 1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; And in the night season, and am not silent. 3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. 4 Our fathers trusted in thee: They trusted, and thou didst deliver them. 5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: They trusted in thee, and were not confounded. 6 But I am a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised of the people. 7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, 8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: Let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. 9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: Thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother’s breasts. 10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: Thou art my God from my mother’s belly. 11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; For there is none to help. 12 Many bulls have compassed me: Strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. 13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, As a ravening and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint: My heart is like wax; It is melted in the midst of my bowels. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; And my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; And thou hast brought me into the dust of death. 16 For dogs have compassed me: The assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: They pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: They look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, And cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword; My darling from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: For thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns. 22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: In the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. 23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; All ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; And fear him, all ye the seed of Israel. 24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Neither hath he hid his face from him; But when he cried unto him, he heard.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

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No he did not forsake him

Psalm 22:1–24 (KJV 1900) — 1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; And in the night season, and am not silent. 3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. 4 Our fathers trusted in thee: They trusted, and thou didst deliver them. 5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: They trusted in thee, and were not confounded. 6 But I am a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised of the people. 7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, 8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: Let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. 9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: Thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother’s breasts. 10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: Thou art my God from my mother’s belly. 11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; For there is none to help. 12 Many bulls have compassed me: Strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. 13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, As a ravening and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint: My heart is like wax; It is melted in the midst of my bowels. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; And my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; And thou hast brought me into the dust of death. 16 For dogs have compassed me: The assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: They pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: They look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, And cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword; My darling from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: For thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns. 22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: In the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. 23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; All ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; And fear him, all ye the seed of Israel. 24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Neither hath he hid his face from him; But when he cried unto him, he heard.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

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No please answer this thread your comment filled with scripture are always welcomed :)
 
I believe you are correct--

(Heb.: 22:2-3) In the first division, Psa_22:2, the disconsolate cry of anguish, beginning here in Psa_22:2 with the lamentation over prolonged desertion by God, struggles through to an incipient, trustfully inclined prayer. The question beginning with לָמָּה (instead of לָמָּה before the guttural, and perhaps to make the exclamation more piercing, vid., on Psa_6:5; Psa_10:1) is not an expression of impatience and despair, but of alienation and yearning. The sufferer feels himself rejected of God; the feeling of divine wrath has completely enshrouded him; and still he knows himself to be joined to God in fear and love; his present condition belies the real nature of his relationship to God; and it is just this contradiction that urges him to the plaintive question, which comes up from the lowest depths: Why hast Thou forsaken me? But in spite of this feeling of desertion by God, the bond of love is not torn asunder; the sufferer calls God אֵלִי (my God), and urged on by the longing desire that God again would grant him to feel this love, he calls Him, אֵלִי אֵלִי. That complaining question: why hast Thou forsaken me? is not without example even elsewhere in Psa_88:15, cf. Isa_49:14. The forsakenness of the Crucified One, however, is unique; and may not be judged by the standard of David or of any other sufferers who thus complain when passing through trial.
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And it was a fulfillment of prophecy not just quoting a quote. This is a profound passage in Scripture and I dare not rely on my intellect as to what really happened with Christ Jesus darkest hours on the cross.
NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: PSALM 22:19-21
19But You, O Lord, be not far off;
O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
20Deliver my soul from the sword,
My only life from the power of the dog.
21Save me from the lion's mouth;
From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.

22:19-21 Psalm 22:19 links to 22:11. The jussive (see note below) is followed by three imperatives of request.

1. hasten to my assistance – BDB 301, KB 300, Qal imperative, cf. Ps. 38:22; 40:13; 70:1,5; 71:12; 141:1

2. deliver my soul – BDB 664, KB 717, Hiphil imperative

3. save me – BDB 446, KB 448, Hiphil imperative

This strophe closes “You answered me” with a Qal perfect verb (BDB 772, KB 851) which implies that the psalmist has come to the conviction that YHWH is/will answer him (cf. Ps. 34:4; 118:5; 120:1).
Notice again how the psalmist characterizes his enemies.
1. the sword (i.e., “pierced” of possibly the bite of dogs, cf. Ps. 22:16)
2. paw of the dog (cf. Ps. 22:16)
3. the lion's mouth (cf. Ps. 22:13; 35:17)
4. the horns of the wild oxen (symbol of power, cf. Job 39:9-10)

22:19 “be not far off” See note at Ps. 22:11.
22:20 “from the sword” It is difficult to know exactly what problems/distresses/enemies the psalmist is facing.
1. sickness
2. rebellion
3. invasion
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As we saw in our last post, when God forsakes, He hides His face from the one He forsakes, turns him over to his enemies, and is angry with him. All of this happened to Jesus while He suffered for sinners on the cross. It was a real, objective forsakenness. As a follow-up, this post will simply catalog the faithful expositions of pastors and theologians in the past and present who have rightly understood and explained Jesus’ cry of dereliction as a cry of objective forsakenness by God.

What did Jesus mean when He cried out, “My God, My God, Why have You forsaken Me?” Come and see:

Martin Luther

"So then, gaze at the heavenly picture of Christ, who descended into hell for your sake and was forsaken by God as one eternally damned when he spoke the words on the cross, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani!' - 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?' In that picture your hell is defeated and your uncertain election is made sure...

"He [Christ] is the heavenly image, the one who was forsaken by God as damned, yet he conquered hell through his omnipotent love, thereby proving that he is the dearest Son, who gives this to us all if we but believe" (Luther's Works, Vol. 42, 105–7).

Wilhelmus à Brakel:

"The magnitude of His soul’s suffering is also evident from His complaint upon the cross. 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me' (Matt 27:46). He was not forsaken by His divine nature, for the hypostatic union could not be dissolved. He was also not forsaken by the love of His Father, which remained immutable. Neither was He forsaken by the Holy Spirit, with whom He had been anointed in abundant measure; nor did He complain of being forsaken into the hands of men. Rather, He complained about the withdrawal of all light, love, help, and comfort during the specific moment when His distress was at its highest and when He needed them to the utmost...

. . . utterly forsaken of divine favor, sensibly experiencing the highest degree of the divine wrath and anger of God as just Judge – and at such a moment being attacked and assaulted in the most subtle and horrible manner by the powers of hell. What an extreme state of unspeakable distress this must have been! Such was Christ’s suffering according to His soul...

"Additional Objection: Christ’s human nature, in which He suffered, was finite and thus was not capable of bearing infinite wrath. Consequently His suffering was not sufficient to atone for sin which merits eternal punishment. Answer: We cannot determine to what degree Christ’s human nature was fortified, but it always remained finite. In this nature Christ endured a total being forsaken by, and the full wrath of, the infinite God against whom the elect had sinned. One should note, however, that it was not the human nature which suffered, but the Person according to this nature, and since the Person is infinite, all that He suffered was of infinite efficacy and value" (The Christian's Reasonable Service, Vol. 1, Trans. Bartel Elshout, Ed. Joel Beeke, Rotterdam, The Netherlands: D. Bolle, 1999, 579, 581, 592).

Herman Bavinck:

In the cry of Jesus we are dealing not with a subjective but with an objective God-forsakenness: He did not feel alone but had in fact been forsaken by God. His feeling was not an illusion, not based on a false view of his situation, but corresponded with reality. (Reformed Dogmatics: Sin and Salvation in Christ, Vol. 3, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2006, 389)

Herman Witsius:

That when God threatened man, if he sinned, with death, he meant that death which our first parents incurred on the very day they sinned, and which Christ the Surety underwent in the room and stead of some; and which the damned themselves, who are without a Surety, shall suffer and be forced to undergo themselves. But that is the death of the whole man; because the subject of it is man, made up of soul and body united; and consists, not only in the privation of the sense of God’s favour, and of communion with him, and of a joyful delight in the enjoyment of him; but it is also attended with all the torture and racking pain which the almighty wrath of God can inflict . . . Christ the Surety, in the fulness of time, underwent this same death of the whole man, in soul and body united, while on the cross he was forsaken of God . . . who punished him with affliction and imprisonment, which will be the punishment of the damned, as it was of Christ . . . His whole man suffered this death, till divine justice was satisfied; and it sufficiently appeared to have been satisfied, when God removed the darkness, that the creature, who had before acted as an enemy against him, on whom God was taking vengeance, might again refresh himself, and when he likewise comforted him with such a sense of his paternal love, as now to be able to call God his Father, and commend his spirit into his hands . . . Moreover, he felt and properly bore this death on the cross, when he cried out, “My God! why hast thou forsaken me?” (The Economy Of The Covenants Between God And Man, 139-140)

John Owen:

"It pleased God to bruise him, to put him to grief, to make his soul an offering for sin, and to pour out his life unto death. He hid himself from him, was far from the voice of his cry, until he cried out, 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'" (The Works Of John Owen, Vol. 10, London: Paternoster Row, 118)

"They who would invent evasions for this express complaint of our Saviour, that he was deserted and forsaken, as that he spake it in reference to his church, or of his own, being left to the power and malice of the Jews, do indeed little less than blaspheme him; and say he was not forsaken of God, when himself complains that he was.

Forsaken, I say, not by the disjunction of his personal union; but as to the communication of effects of love and favour, which is the desertion that the damned lie under in hell" (Works, Vol. 9, London: Paternoster Row, 122).

"It was from the penal desertion of God. That he was under a penal desertion from God, is plain; “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” And when I say so, I know little of what I say, I mean, what it is to be under such penal desertion. For the great punishment of hell, is an everlasting penal desertion from God" (Works, Vol. 17, London: Paternoster Row, 162).

I don't claim to know all the answers in Scriptures @MatthewG
 
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NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: PSALM 22:19-21
19But You, O Lord, be not far off;
O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
20Deliver my soul from the sword,
My only life from the power of the dog.
21Save me from the lion's mouth;
From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.

22:19-21 Psalm 22:19 links to 22:11. The jussive (see note below) is followed by three imperatives of request.

1. hasten to my assistance – BDB 301, KB 300, Qal imperative, cf. Ps. 38:22; 40:13; 70:1,5; 71:12; 141:1

2. deliver my soul – BDB 664, KB 717, Hiphil imperative

3. save me – BDB 446, KB 448, Hiphil imperative

This strophe closes “You answered me” with a Qal perfect verb (BDB 772, KB 851) which implies that the psalmist has come to the conviction that YHWH is/will answer him (cf. Ps. 34:4; 118:5; 120:1).
Notice again how the psalmist characterizes his enemies.
1. the sword (i.e., “pierced” of possibly the bite of dogs, cf. Ps. 22:16)
2. paw of the dog (cf. Ps. 22:16)
3. the lion's mouth (cf. Ps. 22:13; 35:17)
4. the horns of the wild oxen (symbol of power, cf. Job 39:9-10)

22:19 “be not far off” See note at Ps. 22:11.
22:20 “from the sword” It is difficult to know exactly what problems/distresses/enemies the psalmist is facing.
1. sickness
2. rebellion
3. invasion
********************************************************************************************************************************************************
As we saw in our last post, when God forsakes, He hides His face from the one He forsakes, turns him over to his enemies, and is angry with him. All of this happened to Jesus while He suffered for sinners on the cross. It was a real, objective forsakenness. As a follow-up, this post will simply catalog the faithful expositions of pastors and theologians in the past and present who have rightly understood and explained Jesus’ cry of dereliction as a cry of objective forsakenness by God.

What did Jesus mean when He cried out, “My God, My God, Why have You forsaken Me?” Come and see:

Martin Luther

"So then, gaze at the heavenly picture of Christ, who descended into hell for your sake and was forsaken by God as one eternally damned when he spoke the words on the cross, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani!' - 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?' In that picture your hell is defeated and your uncertain election is made sure...

"He [Christ] is the heavenly image, the one who was forsaken by God as damned, yet he conquered hell through his omnipotent love, thereby proving that he is the dearest Son, who gives this to us all if we but believe" (Luther's Works, Vol. 42, 105–7).

Wilhelmus à Brakel:

"The magnitude of His soul’s suffering is also evident from His complaint upon the cross. 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me' (Matt 27:46). He was not forsaken by His divine nature, for the hypostatic union could not be dissolved. He was also not forsaken by the love of His Father, which remained immutable. Neither was He forsaken by the Holy Spirit, with whom He had been anointed in abundant measure; nor did He complain of being forsaken into the hands of men. Rather, He complained about the withdrawal of all light, love, help, and comfort during the specific moment when His distress was at its highest and when He needed them to the utmost...

. . . utterly forsaken of divine favor, sensibly experiencing the highest degree of the divine wrath and anger of God as just Judge – and at such a moment being attacked and assaulted in the most subtle and horrible manner by the powers of hell. What an extreme state of unspeakable distress this must have been! Such was Christ’s suffering according to His soul...

"Additional Objection: Christ’s human nature, in which He suffered, was finite and thus was not capable of bearing infinite wrath. Consequently His suffering was not sufficient to atone for sin which merits eternal punishment. Answer: We cannot determine to what degree Christ’s human nature was fortified, but it always remained finite. In this nature Christ endured a total being forsaken by, and the full wrath of, the infinite God against whom the elect had sinned. One should note, however, that it was not the human nature which suffered, but the Person according to this nature, and since the Person is infinite, all that He suffered was of infinite efficacy and value" (The Christian's Reasonable Service, Vol. 1, Trans. Bartel Elshout, Ed. Joel Beeke, Rotterdam, The Netherlands: D. Bolle, 1999, 579, 581, 592).

Herman Bavinck:

In the cry of Jesus we are dealing not with a subjective but with an objective God-forsakenness: He did not feel alone but had in fact been forsaken by God. His feeling was not an illusion, not based on a false view of his situation, but corresponded with reality. (Reformed Dogmatics: Sin and Salvation in Christ, Vol. 3, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2006, 389)

Herman Witsius:

That when God threatened man, if he sinned, with death, he meant that death which our first parents incurred on the very day they sinned, and which Christ the Surety underwent in the room and stead of some; and which the damned themselves, who are without a Surety, shall suffer and be forced to undergo themselves. But that is the death of the whole man; because the subject of it is man, made up of soul and body united; and consists, not only in the privation of the sense of God’s favour, and of communion with him, and of a joyful delight in the enjoyment of him; but it is also attended with all the torture and racking pain which the almighty wrath of God can inflict . . . Christ the Surety, in the fulness of time, underwent this same death of the whole man, in soul and body united, while on the cross he was forsaken of God . . . who punished him with affliction and imprisonment, which will be the punishment of the damned, as it was of Christ . . . His whole man suffered this death, till divine justice was satisfied; and it sufficiently appeared to have been satisfied, when God removed the darkness, that the creature, who had before acted as an enemy against him, on whom God was taking vengeance, might again refresh himself, and when he likewise comforted him with such a sense of his paternal love, as now to be able to call God his Father, and commend his spirit into his hands . . . Moreover, he felt and properly bore this death on the cross, when he cried out, “My God! why hast thou forsaken me?” (The Economy Of The Covenants Between God And Man, 139-140)

John Owen:

"It pleased God to bruise him, to put him to grief, to make his soul an offering for sin, and to pour out his life unto death. He hid himself from him, was far from the voice of his cry, until he cried out, 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'" (The Works Of John Owen, Vol. 10, London: Paternoster Row, 118)

"They who would invent evasions for this express complaint of our Saviour, that he was deserted and forsaken, as that he spake it in reference to his church, or of his own, being left to the power and malice of the Jews, do indeed little less than blaspheme him; and say he was not forsaken of God, when himself complains that he was.

Forsaken, I say, not by the disjunction of his personal union; but as to the communication of effects of love and favour, which is the desertion that the damned lie under in hell" (Works, Vol. 9, London: Paternoster Row, 122).

"It was from the penal desertion of God. That he was under a penal desertion from God, is plain; “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” And when I say so, I know little of what I say, I mean, what it is to be under such penal desertion. For the great punishment of hell, is an everlasting penal desertion from God" (Works, Vol. 17, London: Paternoster Row, 162).

I don't claim to know all the answers in Scriptures @MatthewG
Think of the guilt of sin, that you may be humbled. Think of the power of sin, that you may seek strength against it. Think not of the matter of sin…lest you be more and more entangled.

A Puritan Golden Treasury, compiled by I.D.E. Thomas, by permission of Banner of Truth, Carlisle, PA. 2000, p. 293.
 
The only thing i was able to add is if God was in Christ reconciling the world he could not have forsaken him
And we know from the context it’s Christ sacrifice- atonement that is the context of the reconciliation that took place on the cross.

2 Corinthians 5
For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for themand was raised again.

16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[b]for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God
 
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