He still was forsaken... But for whatever reason people just wont admit it to it, because they are unable to explain how. Or they reject it from their minds, or it effects them in some type of way.
Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?
- Thread starter MatthewG
- Start date
He still was forsaken... But for whatever reason people just wont admit it to it, because they are unable to explain how. Or they reject it from their minds, or it effects them in some type of way.
Bubba
Member
He's my king do you know him?
Bubba
Member
Jesus is God. Look no further than the trinity.
Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? | GotQuestions.org
Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? Is Jesus God in the flesh?
www.gotquestions.org
Hello bubba,
I know we have only gotten to directly talk to each other over these direct messages. I am fine, and I hope that you are doing fine today too. I am just really sharing some information back and forth for dialogue, I love you as a human being, and the rest of these fellow mates too. However I am not a hardbargin to not give people a challenge at least, and to stop thinking like everyone else, and perhaps seek out Yahavah and his advice, and see why Jesus states what he does concerning the matters pertaining to "Did God forsake Jesus on the Cross."
I believe in the Gospel just as you and believe that you are loved by God, and have a direct relationship with Yahavah by the spirit that he is given you, if you would like to no longer participate you are free to do so, thank you for everything that you decide to take time and share here with everyone along the way.
Bubba
Member
Not really. look back over this thread and you'll see 11 pages of explanations of why Jesus was not forsaken. Maybe it's just your explanation that is being rejected. Stranger things have happened.
Jesus is God. Look no further than the trinity.
Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? | GotQuestions.org
Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? Is Jesus God in the flesh?www.gotquestions.org
Sorry. I reject the trinity out right.
I believe what Paul taught,
Ephesians 4:
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
There is a reason that so many letters are written in the way of "May grace and peace be with you by the Father and from the Son."
The God I pray to is Yahavah, and he is the God of Israel, God above all gods. With Yahavah, and his Word together sitting on the Throne like in Revelation chapter 4 shares, they are combined to be the Lord God Almighty, however, Yahavahs Word does not go over Yahavah himself... That whole trinity thing is just something you may as well know that I do not accept it in my life, and I do not see that anyone else has to hold it or accept that doctrine in their life ever period. Many people love to debate about it though, I have already been down that road many times before my mind changed about the whole thing.
Bubba
Member
Just give Me Jesus. Yahavah is God. Translated in the Bible in English as LORD!
Bubba
Member
Well that explains a lot. If you understood The Trinity then you would understand why the Father could not forsake Jesus on the cross.
Take your Jesus, and go on, then, lol. What do you want from me?
Man I been using the scripture the whole time… it’s the people who continue to reject that God forsake him. It must terribly mess with their minds… it doesn’t bother me. I’m able to explain why.
You have a massive problem on your hands if you do not believe that Jesus (the Uncreated Word of God) is God. It's a fact that only God saves which means that the only way that Jesus can save is if he is God. John 1:1 clearly shows us that he is God, amongst other verses where even Jesus himself explicitly declared he is God. If Jesus is just a man then he is below Muhammad in truth because Muhammad never claimed he was God.
Bubba
Member
Trust me my friend you don't have anything that I want I've got all I need, Just give me Jesus and him crucified, He came out of that tomb on the third day and he lives forevermore. And was never for a moment forsaken by The Father.
The bond between the Father and Jesus is eternal and can never be broken even for a moment. As they are both part of The Trinity.
Synergy,
The rhetoric thing, taught in colleges, also on social media, and which has been taught for centuries on end. Is that "Jesus is God." Okay, if Jesus is God, can you tell me how he did not know the timing of his coming, but only the father?
Found in John, the Father teaches the Lord Jesus what to say,
Jesus was being taught by the Father what to say, and what to speak, and Jesus as the Son of God, was doing exactly as he decide to do follow after his Father in performing his will, in order to reconcile the world back unto the God in Christ, in order to justify the payment of all sins for all.
Listen, when it comes to this whole "Jesus is God - Trinity thing" I do not believe it. Here is what I do find in scripture,
Jesus grew up, and his Father by the spirit guided him where to go, and what to say, and what to speak. Jesus had his own freewill ability to make choices throughout his entire life, and his whole mission was to do his Fathers will, because his Fathers will was important to him, and he desired for it to be accomplished by fulfilling the law, and nailing the ordnances to the cross. Paying for the Sin of all the world on behalf of the Father, and behalf of the world. Where do you get "Jesus is God, exactly," how do you explain that to people? If it is with the trinity angle it doesn't hold up much water in the face of scripture.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
When God spoke his very breathe - and his Word - had come forth, which Yahavah, allows to create in the expression with Yahavah expressed by in which he said "Let light be", and list is.
Yahavah, seen the light that it is good, and He separated it between the light and the darkness.
There is whole dynamic going here, with the Lord God, and his speaking his Word, and the Word now creating, which was spoken of in relation to God's heart, whom is named Yahavah, or Yehovah, or Jehovah, or however you may pronounce it, he is a God above all gods, and he is the one whom sent the Word of God, which was part of God, and that does make him the Word was God whom was with Yahavah in the beginning in which in turn is the one whom created all things, Yeshua the Son of God, the Son of Man. So yes, the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and was the expression of the image of God, by and through the flesh - - - which was a reflection of the inner soul, and heart which is the Word of God, by and through YAhavah his Father helping him in and through the flesh by the Christ with in him. There is a lot of interesting things to learn when it comes to God, or the Lord Yeshua.
Even with all this information - Jesus who people claim is Yahavah, by mistake, are mislead in how people deem that name of the Lord God is unimportant or that it does not matter. Jesus, by and through the flesh, was God with us, Immanuel, which was the reflection of the Lord Yeshuas heart, and desire for his Fathers will to be done despite his own will. He did not know everything immediantly, how therefore by his flesh can he be in any way God? It was God within Christ, the "anointed one", which helped Jesus overcome his flesh, by the holy spirit, because he was really tempted, and he went through a really rough time, even being left behind on the cross, when Yahavah left him by the Christ in him, which he cried "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me"
He is not crying out My Jesus, My Jesus.
That is good. You should never need anything from me anyway. Here is my encouragement and support though, let's continue to love Yahavah, with all our heart, mind, soul, strength, and put on the mind of Christ, and walk in faith, and also walk by the spirit, in order to not fulfil the deeds of our fleshly ways, which is always in opposititon with the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, whom is given to us because of faith in the Lord Jesus, who makes you, and everyone here whom is a believer in the gospel of the Lord Yeshua. Praise be to the one whom is the one whom makes you right with your maker, and may you continue to follow him and only him, bearing your own cross, as others must choose to do as well, just as you stated, that Jesus was risen again by Holy Spirit of Yahavah, and therefore we to, are risen with him, if we abide in God, God abides in us, as long as we continue to love our neighbor as our self, which is the only commandment that fulfills everything which is to produce fruits of love, for the Lord God, whom one serves. Thank you for sharing, what you have with me though through the times that we have communicated here.
civic
Well-known member
Can you tell me why no one in heaven including the Father and Holy Spirit do not know the name on Jesus forehead ?
Revelation 19:12
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself
No. I can not answer that question at this time, but we can take a look at the whole chapter if you would like too?
@civic has a wealth of information proving that Jesus is indeed God. Before that let me explain why Jesus was limited in his knowledge during his time on Earth.
During His time on Earth, Jesus humbled himself to our level without ever giving up on His Divine nature. He became poor (humbled himself) so that we can become spiritually rich. See 2 Cor 8:9.
9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.
For what reason? To be our Exemplar. In what way? He relied on God the Father and also on God the Holy Spirit daily for everything. We are to emulate him (be conformed into his image) in that way.
Of course we can never be exactly like him in every which way because He possesses a Divine Nature and we do not. We become like Jesus through Grace, never ever becoming exactly what Jesus is, which is God.
After His Ascension, Jesus possesses full God Glory sitting on His Father's throne, at His Father's right hand. As such, Jesus must now be accorded full worship as God.
Perhaps its a reference to Daniel, @civic. Proclaiming that Yeshua would be coming, however they would not know the name just yet (except the Word of God ) knowing by Yahavah, speaking it to be so, in which Yahavah, by the holy spirit overshadowing Mary, gave birth to the Lord Jesus Christ. Wasn't it an angel that came by and told Mary what to name Yeshua? Gabrial?
Synergy, I am sure civic has plenty.
Okay.
You will start to express Gods love by and through the Lord Yeshua, and by God abiding in and through you. I disagree with you about worshiping Jesus as God. That is not true, Jesus never once stated that in his earthly ministry, he said this...
You are misappropiating the positions of the Father, and His Begotten Son, whos is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. It's Yahavah, whom was the Father of the Lord Yeshua, whom we pray and call out to, in the name of the Lord Yeshua, that is what biblical narrative entails, however you can suggest that I am wrong. I am not against, what you shared which concerns, sanctification in a believers life in which they become more like the Lord Yeshua, because they are allowing Yahavah to work with them by and through the holy spirit of Yahavah which indwells the hearts of those who are adopted into the Kingdom of the Son, translated from the darkness into the light, which starts to fade away slowly over time the one more continues to seek the light which Jesus is the light of all mankind.
Though Yeshua, is on the throne with his Father now, that never gave Yeshua any authority over him, here is why,
koberstein
Active member
Psalm 22 This psalm graphically pictures the execution of the Messiah. His bones are said to be pulled out of joint (v. 14), and the
water content of his body is dried up (vv. 14-15). He is surrounded by enemies who gamble for his clothing while he is dying (vv. 16-18).
And to add to his shame, he is naked in the process (v. 17). All of these describe execution by crucifixion, a form of capital punishment
that was not commonly used until the time of the Romans many centuries after the writing of this psalm!
The ancient rabbinic source, Pesiqta Rabbati, uses phrases from this psalm to characterize the Messiah (the midrash on Ps. 22 makes a
similar citation):
The Holy One, blessed be he, began to tell him of the conditions, and said to him: "Those who are hidden with you, their sins in the
future will force you into an iron yoke.....And because of their sins your tongue will cleave to the roof of your mouth." (161a-b)
The Rabbis said that when the son of David came, people would lay an iron yoke on his neck, so heavy he would bow under its weight.
He would weep and cry...."My strength is as dry as a potsherd" (verse 16). Then God replied, "Ephraim, my just Messiah, long ago you
have taken it upon yourself, since the six days of creation. Now let your pain be as my pain." (162a)
koberstein
Active member
Daniel 9:24-27 Because this prophecy calculates when the Messiah would come, it has been considered "off limits" to Jewish people.
The idea as that if there is a miscalculation and the Messiah does not come, it could cause one's faith to be doubted. Thus the Rabbis
don't teach this text. Yet it includes a clear prediction of when the Messiah would come and what would happen to him.
Daniel is verifying the fulfillment of this prophecy [made by Isaiah who would deliver Isra'el-----Isaiah 44:28-45:4]....He consults the
book of Jeremiah, where he discovers that the exile was to last 70 years (Dan. 9:2).....Now sixty-eight years have elapsed since that
time, yet nothing seems to suggest the end of the exile. The Jewish people still live in Babylonian captivity, and Jerusalem is still
in ruins since 586 B.C.E.
This, of course troubles Dani'el and in anguish he prays to God. The response describes not only how the Messiah will rescue his
people but when. This is the only biblical text that explicitly refers to the coming Messiah while specifying the exact time of his
arrival! Josephus says that Dani'el "was one of the greatest of the prophets....for he did not only prophesy future events.....he also
determined the time of their accomplishment."
Daniel 9 begins and ends with the number seventy in speaking of Daniel's vision of seventy years (Dan. 9:2; 2 Chron. 36:21; Jer 25:11-12),
and in v. 24 with the conclusion of the specified seventy weeks of years (i.e.,seventy; seven-year period or four hundred ninety years).
The first seventy lead to the messiah Cyrus who saves Isra'el from the exile (Isa. 45:1), and the second seventy lead to the Messiah
who saves [Isra'el and] the world from sin" Concerning the ultimate fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy; there will be a period of 7 weeks
of years (49 years) followed by 62 weeks of years or 483 years from the decree until the coming of Messiah the Prince. the seven-week
period (49 years) pertains to the time it actually took from issuing of the decree until the restoration of Jerusalem. The total of 483
years (69 weeks) should be calculated as specific biblical/prophetic years of 360 days each. The starting point of the prophecy would
have begun on Nisan 1 (March 5) 444 B.C.E. followed by 69 weeks of 360 day years or 173,880 days, and culminated on Nisan 10
(March 30) 33 C.E., the date of [Yeshua] the Messiah's triumphal entry (Luke 19:28-40).
The second feature of the prophecy is to predict several events that would follow the 7 weeks and the 69 weeks (totally 69 weeks).
First the Messiah would be cut off, a prediction of death of the Messiah. Thus the book of Daniel, written in the 6th century B.C.E.,
contains predictions not only of the precise date of the Messiah's coming (9:25) but also of Messiah's death sometime before the
destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E.
The basic outline of the chronology is fairly clear, even though there is debate on some of the dates. A specified period of time
elapses from the decree given to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until the Messiah comes. After his coming and death (v. 26),
the city of Yerushalayim and the Temple will be destroyed. In view of the historical context and date of Dani'el, this is a reference
to the Second Temple. Since Yerushalayim and the Second Temple were destroyed by the Romans in 70 C.E., Dani'el predicts
Messiah's coming and death must occur before 70 C.E.
Now, since the decree mentioned by Dani'el is probably that of Artach'shashta (Artaxerxes) in his seventh year (Ezra 9:9; cf. 7:7),
the chronology can be made more precise. The decree would then have been issued in 458 B.C.E. Verse 25 indicates that
four hundred eighty three years (sixty-nine "weeks") would elapse until Messiah's coming. Adjusting for the "absence" of
the year 0, Messiah's coming is expected in the year 26 C.E. This accords well with Yeshua's death in 30 C.E. after a public
ministry of three-plus years.
Would you be shocked to know that Jesus declared himself as the God of the OT? Here is a copy of a post I sent to someone else about that subject:
Question: What is God's name?
Answer: (Exodus 3:14) God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
Question: Where did Jesus declare himself as God?
Answer: (John 8:58) Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!
Conclusion: So Jesus declared himself God by both name and by his eternal existence.
Similar threads
