Did God ( Christ ) die ?

civic said:
pure speculation on your part.

Peter was crucified upside down.

The apostle Paul certainly endured many sufferings for Christ during his ministry. He encountered beatings, imprisonment, stoning, and much more (2 Corinthians 11:23–28). The deeper his troubles, the more deeply Paul saw a connection with the Lord who had suffered so much for him. In Galatians 6:17 he writes, “I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.” Paul’s afflictions were no surprise to him. When Paul was commissioned for his task, the Lord Jesus said, “I will show him how much he must suffer for my name” (Acts 9:16).

Jesus taught that in this world we would have trouble (John 16:33). “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first” (John 15:18). Paul and Barnabas, on the first missionary journey, certainly saw the truth of Jesus’ words as they revisited the cities where they had planted churches, “strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. ‘We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God,’ they said” (Acts 14:22). Paul’s teaching that Christians should expect suffering and that his own suffering filled up what was “lacking” is diffused throughout his work. But the theme of joyfulness in suffering is also present. That’s why Paul could say, “I rejoice in what I am suffering for you” (Colossians 1:24; cf. Philippians 2:17).got?

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I'm always willing to put my theories to the test. You want to volunteer? ;)
 
dizerner said:
This is not Scripture.

Just local urban legend from the apocryphal Acts of Peter and promulgated by Origen.

Right after you rebuke someone for "pure speculation."

Lol, the irony in that.
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Its OK for them....

They run this place..

And, they only care about winning.
 
synergy said:
How many people do you know that have the same eternal humanity (man) that you claim Christ possesses? Name me one person throughout the Bible that is eternally human (man). Just one. You have repeatedly claimed that Christ is fully God and fully man eternally.

Any attempt to redefine humanity as eternal will be denied.

Again, you've got a problem because only by being 100% human (in addition to being 100% Divine) can Jesus save us.
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So you don't have eternal life? Can I tell you about the Gospel of Jesus Christ then?

Deny all you like. Christ (in His humanity) has always had eternal life. He did not receive eternal life at a point in time like we have.

Once again it is your inability to comprehend that His humanity is joined in one person with Deity. He is eternal. His Deity is fully God and His humanity is fully human. He is eternal because he is God. He could die for us because He is human. He did not start being human at a point in time. He took on flesh, a body you prepared for me. His humanity already existed in the one person of the Lord Jesus Christ. He did not change being the person He always was by becoming something He wasn't before.
 
civic said:
Have you read foxs book of martyrs
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Have you read Romans 7:23?

You really don't like the fact you have a corruption in your flesh called the sin nature that weakens our bodies. It's the only reason that has prompted your reactionary response.

Christ endured a torture before He went to the Cross that most men would have either passed out from or died from. Simple biology.
 
civic said:
When I’m right there is no need to win :)
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At the time when the angels were choosing between the Lord and Satan? .... (they did that you know)

Every time an angel took the side for Satan? The angels who were already following Satan would congratulate and welcome him for his "wise" choice.

That is called "prehistoric history" that requires some brains with enough doctrine to figure out.
Do you understand that much? I am sure you do... You're a smart guy.

In the mean while.. God allows for our arrogance and pride to flow when we want it to, as to be used as examples.
Examples for certain angels to see their own foolishness being replayed through our bad behavior,.....
And, examples for seeing why God had to judge them!

Its why God does not put a stop to man's arrogance now, but has reserved a time for judgment to be at a later time.

One example of what I speak of would be found on the book of Job.
Job 1:6-10, where we can read that it was the Lord who brought up Job to Satan's attention.
Up until the Lord made the suggestion? Satan was leaving Job alone. Keep that in mind. The Lord was the instigator!

Why did that happen?

God allows it to happen today when prideful believers establish their sense of self esteem and security on the basis
of bonding into mutual admiration societies.

So, when they parade their "glory" before each other as fools?
The Lord can rub fallen angels noses in what such wayward believers do.
Fallen angels do who do observe the wrongs of God's children.. after all. They accuse believers and tempt when they see fit.
The God tells them ............ "LOOK! THAT WAS THE WAY YOU THOUGHT AND ACTED WHEN YOU REJECTED ME! "

That's why God will allow for evil to still have its way at present.....
Even with believers. Whom demons pay special attention to, always looking for fault to accuse with.

And, with Job?

God instigated it! Not Satan!


One day the angels (sons of God) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.
The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”​
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Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”​
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Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him;
he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”​
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“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household
and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread
throughout the land."​
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Job 1:6-10​


In the mean while...

I hope you enjoy being used as examples as you think you are getting away with something....
Always running away and hiding when I bring up what contradicts your claim....

God wastes nothing for achieving his plan and purpose....


grace and peace ........................
 
civic said:
You still don’t understand the Trinity and 2 natures in Christ. And your redundant ad naseaum questions don’t change those facts. You argue exactly like a JW/ Unitarian against the Deity of Christ.

I don’t need to argue against His humanity since I believe He was/ is fully man. You deny He is fully God and a Divine Person. You make Him human prior to the Incarnation.

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It doesn't help because it simply isn't true. I for one am tired of repeating myself only to find you still have no idea what we say. You only read in our posts what you want to read and then claim them to be something they are not.

We do not deny He is fully God and a Divine person nor do we say He was a man prior to the Incarnation. That is your interpretation.

One can argue against what one says but one can never argue against what they do not say.

Have a nice Day. :)
 
sawdust said:
Have you read Romans 7:23?

You really don't like the fact you have a corruption in your flesh called the sin nature that weakens our bodies. It's the only reason that has prompted your reactionary response.

Christ endured a torture before He went to the Cross that most men would have either passed out from or died from. Simple biology.
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Its possible...
Some here would have punched or spit upon Jesus as he trudged along on his trek to Calvary...
Only later to see the error of their thinking, and sorrowfully repent to be saved.


The fallen nature can not/will not accept its own reality when the fallen nature is still in charge of one's thinking.


grace and peace .................
 
sawdust said:
Have you read Romans 7:23?

You really don't like the fact you have a corruption in your flesh called the sin nature that weakens our bodies. It's the only reason that has prompted your reactionary response.

Christ endured a torture before He went to the Cross that most men would have either passed out from or died from. Simple biology.
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Roman’s 7 is Paul’s life under the law as a Pharisee. No sin nature in the passage as well.

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GeneZ said:
Its possible...
Some here would have punched or spit upon Jesus as he trudged along on his trek to Calvary...
Only later to see the error of their thinking, and sorrowfully repent to be saved.


The fallen nature can not/will not accept its own reality when the fallen nature is still in charge of one's thinking.


grace and peace .................
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It’s possible some here like judas would have been the first in line to betray Him.

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civic said:
@dizerner @armylngst

Did God die when Jesus died on the cross? The answer depends on how we understand the meaning of the word die. To die does not mean to go out of existence. Death is separation. Physical death is when the soul-spirit separates from the physical body. So, in that sense, yes, God died, because Jesus was God in human form, and Jesus’ soul-spirit separated from His body (John 19:30). However, if by “death” we mean “a cessation of existence,” then, no, God did not die. For God to “die” in that sense would mean that He ceased to exist, and neither the Father nor the Son nor the Holy Spirit will ever cease to exist. The Son, the second Person of the Trinity, left the body He temporarily inhabited on Earth, but His divine nature did not die, nor could it.

Jesus is truly God and truly man. His physical body did die; His heart stopped beating, and “he gave up his spirit” (Matthew 27:50). Just as our physical bodies will someday die, so did His. But as Jesus died physically, He remained alive spiritually. Jesus made good on His promise to the believing thief on the cross—He and the thief both went to paradise, not physically, but in spirit (Luke 23:43).

So, Jesus died physically on the cross, as was plain for all to see (John 19:34). But there is also the matter of spiritual death. When Jesus was hanging on the cross, He experienced death on our behalf. Even though He is God, He still had to suffer the agony of a temporary separation from the Father due to the sin He bore. After three hours of supernatural darkness, Jesus cried, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34). So, could it be said that Jesus also “died” spiritually? Again, it was only His human nature that was separated from God, not His divine nature. God did not “die.”

The question for all people to ask is “what will happen to my soul/spirit when it leaves my physical body?” This is the most crucial question in life. As we saw with Jesus, our spirits will leave our bodies and travel on to somewhere else. We will either follow Him to heaven to spend eternity with Him, or we will go to hell to spend eternity in “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12). There is no other option. Jesus’ death on the cross paid the way for all who would ever believe in Him so that we can know for sure where our spirits will reside for eternity. His death provided us spiritual life, both here and in heaven. “And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you” (Romans 8:11). got ?

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According to Romans he who is dead is set free from sin.

But Jesus was already free, so not sure what the answer is.
 
civic said:
Roman’s 7 is Paul’s life under the law as a Pharisee. No sin nature in the passage as well.

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It sure does help!
In understanding that you are never going to comprehend the Word of God in regards to that reality.

And, by the way?
Are you ready yet to answer all those questions I gave you. The ones that show you contradicted the Word of God?
The ones that you dematerialized after being asked, and never heard from?
While you keep popping up later, and acting like you did just fine.

Keep up the image making!


Hope this helps!
 
civic said:
It’s possible some here like judas would have been the first in line to betray Him.

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It's possible ALL here would be first in line to betray him.

And they were exceedingly sorrowful, and each of them began to say to Him, "Lord, is it I?" (Matt. 26:22 NKJ)
 

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