civic
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Nope Jesus did not suffer hell or the lake of fire. Jesus did not do that just more unbiblical nonsense.
Did God ( Christ ) die ?
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GeneZ
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Jesus went to make a victorious proclamation to disobedient angels below the earth, not in the Lake of Fire....
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartarus, putting them in
gloomy chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when
he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness,
and seven others.." 2 Peter 2:4-5
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.
He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went
and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago
when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few
people, eight in all, were saved through water..." 1 Peter 3:18-20
There were angels who were disobedient in the days of Noah who took human women and produced hybrid children with them.
Those were those whom God needed to destroy in the flood.
Those angels were locked up below the earth in gloomy chains of darkness.(not in the lake of fire) .
It was to those rebellious angels that Jesus went and preached to below the earth while his body lay in the tomb...
grace and peace ................
civic
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Pure fantasy. Everything procreates after its own kind. End of discussion.
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GeneZ
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Ever seen a mule? Half horse, half donkey.
End of Discussion? ..... Translation?
You do not know how to deal with being refuted again.
The Bible proves itself much bigger than small minds that pride themselves in thinking they are big..
In that way God reveals amongst the believers who are the humble, and who are the prideful.
In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you,
and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of
you have God’s approval." 1 Cor 11:18-19
Accepting rebuke and refutations when they come is the beginning of grace transforming and raising one's spiritual IQ.
"But He gives greater grace. Therefore it says:
"God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
James 4:6
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civic
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You don’t even know what created after its own kind means. Yikes
GeneZ
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Yes I do!
Angels were created only slightly higher than man.............
But there is a place where someone has testified:
“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
You made them a little lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor." Hebrews 2:6-7
Why do you think we are told always to be hospitable to strangers?
Because some humans will entertain angels unawares.
Physically, when they are materialized, they are similar in genetics!
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people
have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it." Hebrews 13:2
If it were not true?
We would not read that certain angels had sex with beautiful women and produced giants in Genesis 6!
The way you reject Bible passages?One would think you believe that the Holy Spirit likes writing science fiction.
FAITH! Faith is required!
You want 1 + 1 = 2 = Law.
God wants.... Filling of the Holy Sprit > Grace > Grace perception!
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I was taught a long time ago that the "habitation" those angels left in Jude 1:6? Were their spiritual bodies for it is the same word used when Paul talks of the Resurrection body we are to receive in 2Cor.5:2Yes I do!
Angels were created only slightly higher than man.............
But there is a place where someone has testified:“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,a son of man that you care for him?You made them a little lower than the angels;you crowned them with glory and honor." Hebrews 2:6-7
Why do you think we are told always to be hospitable to strangers?
Because some humans will entertain angels unawares.
Physically, when they are materialized, they are similar in genetics!
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it." Hebrews 13:2
If it were not true?
We would not read that certain angels had sex with beautiful women and produced giants in Genesis 6!
One would think you believe that the Holy Spirit likes writing science fiction.
FAITH! Faith is required!
You want 1 + 1 = 2 = Law.
God wants.... Filling of the Holy Sprit > Grace > Grace perception!
Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Cor.5:2
For in this also we groan, desiring to be clothed upon with our habitation that is from heaven.
What the Genesis 6 angels did was like a reverse resurrection. They had spiritual bodies and exchanged them for terrestrial bodies. This is how they could breed with women.
Dizerner
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Incarnated? Or just temporarily.
GeneZ
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From what I understand?.....
That habitation was an assigned place for angels to stay as to observe men's daily lives unobtrusively.
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Alternative.... Jude 6
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling
—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
Their habitation was their assigned place for observation only, and not to interfere with the lives of men they were watching.
But, if delegated by God to do so? Some were given authority to enter into the physical realm to cause an effect as God directed.
Like when Gabriel appeared to Mary. ....
That is a different subject... That does speak of a body for our souls.
The real question that gets never asked? When those angels appeared in physical bodies?
Why were they able to sexually reproduce? Angels can not create such a body for themselves...
God had to create it to be that way for when they materialized in out material world.....
But, why?
Its never asked. Why were they able to sexually reproduce??? There were no female angels.
I will give you hidden treasures,
riches stored in secret places,
so that you may know that I am the Lord,
the God of Israel, who summons you by name."
Isaiah 45:3
God has hidden in his Word treasures for us to find.
Hidden treasures that God has a plan to have dug out at a right time...
treasures revealed at a right time in history.
My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love,
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in
order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in
whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."
Colossians 2:2-3
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in
order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in
whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."
Colossians 2:2-3
grace and peace!!!!!
GeneZ
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God can have his angels materialize as God tells them to.
And, even call them "men" when He does!
Look at the three men who appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18.
We find out only later on that "two of the men" were actually angels sent to Sodom
Who knows? You could have had a conversation with an angel last week and would not be the wiser!
"Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels."
Hebrews 13:2
Hebrews 13:2
Aeliana
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Equus is a genus of mammals in the family Equidae, which includes horses, asses, and zebras.
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GeneZ
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Equus is a genus of mammals in the family Equidae, which includes horses, asses, and zebras.
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Both man and angels were created in the image of God.
Angels in the OT are sometimes referred to as "sons of God."
Jesus is The Son of God...
And, we are told that man was created in the Image of God.
To later have Spirit led believers called "sons of God." Romans 8:14
Different, but similar enough for angelic "sons of God" to mate with human women... Producing a functional hybrid.
That is why giants in the land were found on earth before Noah's flood wiped them out.
civic
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Correct some are clueless and live in a fantasy world not a biblical world. Nothing but Greek mythologyEquus is a genus of mammals in the family Equidae, which includes horses, asses, and zebras.
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GeneZ
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I love how you are not quarrelsome..
But, I stick around for now. There is more to learn to grow....
One might say.... "genus" sons of God..
GeneZ
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In a sense... it can be called a "genus" category that is unique to men and angels.
It is why when the sons of God (angels) who saw that the daughters of man were beautiful they were able to copulate and produce offspring.
Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
that the sons of God (angels) saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they passionately
took for themselves of all whom they chose.
that the sons of God (angels) saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they passionately
took for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 6:1-2
Dizerner
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I've been gravitating towards a different view of this verse.
I think it might simply have been condemning the first polygamy.
civic
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Angels have been the subject of story, song, and folklore since time began. And, while angels are a reality—the Bible speaks of them often—much of what we imagine about them is total fiction. Angels have never been human, and humans do not become angels when they die. Angels are not fat babies with wings or beautiful women with an ethereal glow. Angels are spirit beings, created by God to serve Him and humanity (Hebrews 1:14). In the times the Bible describes their visits to earth, angels always appear as men (Daniel 9:21; Luke 1:26; Matthew 28:1–7). The Bible never describes a female angel. Some questions arise: is there a set number of angels? Is it possible for angels to reproduce?
The Bible never directly says whether angels reproduce, but Jesus touched on a related subject. When asked about human marriage in eternity, Jesus replied, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30). The fact that there is no marriage among angels has led some to believe that angels are “sexless” or genderless. Of course, if angels are genderless, then a safe assumption is that they do not reproduce—but that conclusion cannot be proved from the text. The fact that there is no marriage among angels does not necessarily mean there is no gender and no procreation. Angels do not marry, but we can’t make the leap from “no marriage” to “no gender” or “no reproduction,” however logical such a leap would seem.
Angels who dwell in the presence of God live to serve and worship Him. The Bible never hints at the idea that angels reproduce or that they have any need to. As far as we know, angels do not die, so angelic reproduction is not necessary to continue the race of angelic beings. God created angels, He sustains them, and, if He desires more angels, He can create them Got?
hope this helps !!!
The Bible never directly says whether angels reproduce, but Jesus touched on a related subject. When asked about human marriage in eternity, Jesus replied, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30). The fact that there is no marriage among angels has led some to believe that angels are “sexless” or genderless. Of course, if angels are genderless, then a safe assumption is that they do not reproduce—but that conclusion cannot be proved from the text. The fact that there is no marriage among angels does not necessarily mean there is no gender and no procreation. Angels do not marry, but we can’t make the leap from “no marriage” to “no gender” or “no reproduction,” however logical such a leap would seem.
Angels who dwell in the presence of God live to serve and worship Him. The Bible never hints at the idea that angels reproduce or that they have any need to. As far as we know, angels do not die, so angelic reproduction is not necessary to continue the race of angelic beings. God created angels, He sustains them, and, if He desires more angels, He can create them Got?
hope this helps !!!
GeneZ
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Try it for a while.... See if it gives you traction.
For we all know that polygamy causes a sudden appearance of giant sized people. Right?
You should see Brigham Young's basketball team!
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