Deliverance from Calvinism

[Jim]

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

These were your words

Romans 10:9-10 Are Paul's words. Do you deny what Paul said? Of course you do!!

 

[TomL]

Romans 10:9-10 Are Paul's words. Do you deny what Paul said? Of course you do!!

Get real

This is what I posted as your words stating

These were your words

"Of course, faith is necessary for salvation. But Romans 10:9-10 also logically states that confession with the mouth is necessary also. There is no other way to understand what is said there."

Are you going to admit to this truth?

Further, at no time did I deny that verse.

To state otherwise is a falsehood.

 

[Jim]

Get real

This is what I posted as your words stating

So you do believe that "...with the mouth one confesses and is saved...."? If so, does that statement mean that confession is necessary?

 

[TomL]

So you do believe that "...with the mouth one confesses and is saved...."? If so, does that statement mean that confession is necessary?

I believe Rom 10:9,10

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Now, are you going to answer this?

These were your words

"Of course, faith is necessary for salvation. But Romans 10:9-10 also logically states that confession with the mouth is necessary also. There is no other way to understand what is said there."

Are you going to admit you truthfully stated such?

Now if you are going to argue as you do, you at the very least must hold to be saved you must believe, you must be baptized, you must verbally confess Jesus is Lord

 

[Jim]

I believe Rom 10:9,10

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Now, are you going to answer this?

These were your words



Are you going to admit you truthfully stated such?

Now if you are going to argue as you do, you at the very least must hold to be saved you must believe, you must be baptized, you must verbally confess Jesus is Lord

I believe what Jesus said in Mark 16:16 that whosoever believes and is baptized will be saved. II believe what Jesus said in Matthey 28:19-20 that the disciples are made by baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to observe all that He has commanded. I believe what Peter said in Acts 2:38 that the believer should repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. I believe what Paul said in Romans 10:10 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Does that mean that it is necessary to believe, repent, confess and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to be saved? I believe that is the promise God has made to the world through His written word. So, I believe it is necessary for me. What God could or might do in any other circumstance is up not up to me or you but rather it is up to God Himself.

As an added note, I believe that the doctrine of Faith Alone in some ways is as bad and maybe worse than the Calvinist doctrine of Total Depravity.

And now I am done with you on this topic.

 

[TomL]

I believe what Jesus said in Mark 16:16 that whosoever believes and is baptized will be saved. II believe what Jesus said in Matthey 28:19-20 that the disciples are made by baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to observe all that He has commanded. I believe what Peter said in Acts 2:38 that the believer should repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. I believe what Paul said in Romans 10:10 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Does that mean that it is necessary to believe, repent, confess and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to be saved? I believe that is the promise God has made to the world through His written word. So, I believe it is necessary for me. What God could or might do in any other circumstance is up not up to me or you but rather it is up to God Himself.

As an added note, I believe that the doctrine of Faith Alone in some ways is as bad and maybe worse than the Calvinist doctrine of Total Depravity.

And now I am done with you on this topic.

Well the truth is you had denied such previously

Is there a verse that states that?

And what do you do with verses that say you are saved when you believe.

Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”
John 3:16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:47 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.
John 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life—but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 20:31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”