Defending Universal Reconciliation

civic said:
God loves all ungodly sinners to say otherwise is a LIE.

God demonstrated His love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

For God so oved the world( sinners) that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life

He is the atonement for our sins and not our sins only but for the sins of the whole ( entire ) world.

Christs atonement was universal including all men, all mankind, everyone without exception.

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False, God doesnt love all ungodly sinners, He doesnt love these Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
 
brightfame52 said:
Thats bearing false witness. and blaspheming God
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No it’s true as only the pre chosen elect like robots are selected while the unchosen/ frozen ones are damned.

You cannot possibly care for the unsaved since you cannot tell any lost person God loves them and Christ died for them. The gospel is a farce when it comes to witnessing and sharing the gospel.

The false witness and blasphemy comes from your own caricature of God. You are projecting.

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Universalism preaches fables, as predicted in the last days 2 Tim 4:4

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
One such fable that the word of God doesnt teach, but is contrary to, is that God loves all men without exception, thats a fable mythos:
  1. a fiction, a fable
    1. an invention, a falsehood

Scripture to the contrary of the fable,

Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Ps 7:11
11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
Ps 11:5
5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Mal 1:2-3
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,

3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
 
dizerner said:
No, it's not.

That's the heart of Calvinism.

There are some people genuinely deceived about it—they are just ignorant and think it's right.

But the heart of Calvinism is very selfish.
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Yes it is. You have set yourself up as a judge of mens hearts, and blaspheme God for His revealed saving ways.
 
civic said:
No it’s true as only the pre chosen elect like robots are selected while the unchosen/ frozen ones are damned.

You cannot possibly care for the unsaved since you cannot tell any lost person God loves them and Christ died for them. The gospel is a farce when it comes to witnessing and sharing the gospel.

The false witness and blasphemy comes from your own caricature of God. You are projecting.

hope this helps !!!
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More blasphemy and careless judging the hearts of men.
 
brightfame52 said:
More blasphemy and careless judging the hearts of men.
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Jesus died for the sins of all the world ( no exceptions ). Not just some phantom group the elect.

1 John 2:2- He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
 
civic said:
Jesus died for the sins of all the world ( no exceptions ). Not just some phantom group the elect.

1 John 2:2- He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
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More False teaching, thats the Elect
 
brightfame52 said:
More False teaching, thats the Elect
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Learn from an HONEST CALVINIST below who doesn't let his own personal theology interfere with the biblical text. Your view is false, heresy and makes a mockery out of Jesus atonement, God and the gospel.

This is one of the expressions occurring in the New Testament which demonstrate that the atonement was made for all people, and which cannot be reconciled with any other opinion. If he had died only for a part of the race, this language could not have been used. The phrase, "the whole world," is one which naturally embraces all people; is such as would be used if it be supposed that the apostle meant to teach that Christ died for all people; and is such as cannot be explained on any other supposition. If he died only for the elect, it is not true that he is the "propitiation for the sins of the whole world" in any proper sense, nor would it be possible then to assign a sense in which it could be true. This passage, interpreted in its plain and obvious meaning, teaches the following things:

(1) that the atonement in its own nature is adapted to all people, or that it is as much fitted to one individual, or one class, as another;

(2) that it is sufficient in merit for all; that is, that if anymore should be saved than actually will be, there would be no need of any additional suffering in order to save them;

(3) that it has no special adaptedness to one person or class more than another; that is, that in its own nature it did not render the salvation of one easier than that of another.

It so magnified the law, so honored God, so fully expressed the divine sense of the evil of sin in respect to all people, that the offer of salvation might be made as freely to one as to another, and that any and all might take shelter under it and be safe. Whether, however, God might not, for wise reasons, resolve that its benefits should be applied to a part only, is another question, and one which does not affect the inquiry about the intrinsic nature of the atonement. On the evidence that the atonement was made for all, see the 2 Corinthians 5:14 note, and Hebrews 2:9 note. Barnes.

hope this helps !!!
 
civic said:
Learn from an HONEST CALVINIST below who doesn't let his own personal theology interfere with the biblical text. Your view is false, heresy and makes a mockery out of Jesus atonement, God and the gospel.

This is one of the expressions occurring in the New Testament which demonstrate that the atonement was made for all people, and which cannot be reconciled with any other opinion. If he had died only for a part of the race, this language could not have been used. The phrase, "the whole world," is one which naturally embraces all people; is such as would be used if it be supposed that the apostle meant to teach that Christ died for all people; and is such as cannot be explained on any other supposition. If he died only for the elect, it is not true that he is the "propitiation for the sins of the whole world" in any proper sense, nor would it be possible then to assign a sense in which it could be true. This passage, interpreted in its plain and obvious meaning, teaches the following things:

(1) that the atonement in its own nature is adapted to all people, or that it is as much fitted to one individual, or one class, as another;

(2) that it is sufficient in merit for all; that is, that if anymore should be saved than actually will be, there would be no need of any additional suffering in order to save them;

(3) that it has no special adaptedness to one person or class more than another; that is, that in its own nature it did not render the salvation of one easier than that of another.

It so magnified the law, so honored God, so fully expressed the divine sense of the evil of sin in respect to all people, that the offer of salvation might be made as freely to one as to another, and that any and all might take shelter under it and be safe. Whether, however, God might not, for wise reasons, resolve that its benefits should be applied to a part only, is another question, and one which does not affect the inquiry about the intrinsic nature of the atonement. On the evidence that the atonement was made for all, see the 2 Corinthians 5:14 note, and Hebrews 2:9 note. Barnes.

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You are bearing false witness, 1 Jn 2:2 is the elect, from all nations
 
Universalist are in error, grave error since, Christ by His Death alone, redeemed them He died for from the curse of law, having been made a curse in their behalf, Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

How can He in day of Judgment pronounce some cursed Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
Universalism is a myth since it denies what scripture affirms. Those for whom Christ died receive Justification of life Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
However, God has appointed some men to condemnation Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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