brightfame52
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Not its true, you calling Gods Truth trash, not wise. Look He hated Esau the sinner, but Loved the deceiving sinner Jacob Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Defending Universal Reconciliation
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13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
praise_yeshua
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You're not going to answer... right? Why not?
Do you have a sense of empathy toward your brothers in Adam.
civic
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hate means to esteeem less, to love less- even many Calvinist theologians agree that is the meaning. The same meaing from Jesus when He said a disciple must hate his own mother, father to come follow Him. Hate there means the exact same thing. You love your mother/father less than you do Jesus- You esteem Jesus more, love Him more.
Why would God bless Esau if He actually hated him ?
An oxymoron once again in your theology, a contradiction.
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hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
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Universalism is a lie, denying that God Loved some ungodly sinners as Per Rom 5:6-8
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet[ungodly] sinners, Christ died for us.
However God hates some ungodly sinners Ps 5:5
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Gods Love made the difference !
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet[ungodly] sinners, Christ died for us.
However God hates some ungodly sinners Ps 5:5
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Gods Love made the difference !
brightfame52
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God hates some sinners Ps 5:5 and God Loves some sinners Rom 5:8 its His Sovereign choice Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Both men are sinners, God loved one and hated the other.
brightfame52
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God hated Esau but Loved Jacob
praise_yeshua
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Anything that lacks details is nothing more than an excuse....
Reasons have details.
civic
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God loves all ungodly sinners to say otherwise is a LIE.
God demonstrated His love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
For God so oved the world( sinners) that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life
He is the atonement for our sins and not our sins only but for the sins of the whole ( entire ) world.
Christs atonement was universal including all men, all mankind, everyone without exception.
hope this helps !!!
civic
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Yes He loved him less than Jacob. I'm glad you have seen the truth now, the light.
Its good to know you hate everyone just like God hates your mother, father, siblings, children and wife. Its good to know you hate your wife, children, parents, grandparents, grandchildren, pastor etc.......
hope this helps !!!
praise_yeshua
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I love the Scriptures. Pay attention to them.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
I've had many discussion lately. I'm not certain what you're referencing.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Will you be the judge of humanity?
Are you different? Maybe. To some degree. However, you can't avoid you're similar in the fact you still struggle with sin.
The difference is often the fact that we (those in Christ) struggle with sin. Many human beings don't resist nor struggle. However, that can change in a moment. God still forgives sinners. Sinners like you and I.
civic
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notice the cherry picking in every exchange- the removal of a passage from its context. Its nothing but a proof texting theology. Random verses to form a belief system. Its impossible to believe such things with the whole bible. It can only happen when a verse is isolated from the text, the context, the book and the rest of the bible. The crazy thing is some are blind to the fact thats what they are actually doing. They see the entire bible through the lens of those isolated verses. Its really crazy when you think about it.
1 Cor. 6: 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
My first question to you, was if you believed men should consider Every scripture, as opposed to just a few that can be used to promote various religious philosophies.
You didn't answer.
#346, "But if a man accepts these words of Paul as "Truth", shall we not also accept his other Word's equally as Truth?"
Posting God's Judgments, and the Jesus "of the Bibles" Words, and Paul's teaching is not judging anyone.
I didn't write the Scriptures; I just believe them.
It isn't about me, or you. It's about what the Scriptutres actually say. Not just one here and one there that can be used to promote popular religious philosophy of this world that Paul said to "Beware of".
Men have adopted the religious philosophy of "Universalism" and you are promoting this philosophy to others.
I am pointing to Scriptutres, as the deciding Word regarding the truth of such a religious philosophy.
I would prefer to simply discuss scriptures and let them discern the truthfulness of this philosophy. Not really interested in making it personal.
civic
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@praise_yeshua doesn't believe in universalism- the OP was as if he was one and defending that position to get the thread going.
Its like debating in college. You learn to defend both sides because you do not know which one they will have you defend in the debate so you must learn both sides.
I think it's deeper than that. I think men are influenced by the various religious voices of this world God placed us in, on how to view scriptures. Which ones to consider, and which ones have been abolished, and so on.
Eve had God's instruction, but she was convinced to reject this instruction by the teaching of "another voice" who also quoted some of God's Word.
My Bad,
I thought the OP was in defense of Universalism. I didn't catch the "as if it were my own".
My apologies to @praise_yeshua
civic
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Oh I believe you are on point with that observation. The enemy sows tares among the wheat and there are many deceptive doctrines man has formed that have crept into the church. The Apostles in their lifetime were combatting gnosticism that invaded the church, the philosophies of man, those who were promoting legalism as justification etc.....
civic
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No worries
praise_yeshua
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No problem.
brightfame52
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Say what you will, the Testimony of the word is sure, God hates some sinners Ps 5:5 and He Loves some sinners Rom 5:6-8
praise_yeshua
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The sky is blue.... the sky is blue....
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