Saviour, Saved and Salvation

[Ezra]

I wholeheartedly agree. "We put on the Shoes of Peace! May we stand firm in the Good News of the Gospel so Your peace will shine through us and be a light to all we encounter."

Here's a definition of compassion: Compassion is when you relate to someone’s situation, and you want to help them. You see someone in trouble, and you feel like pitching in.
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

1 John 4:7-10

God Himself is love. He is the definition and epitome of love, the creator and source of it, and the ultimate demonstrator of love!

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15:13

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. Ephesians 2:4-5

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 1 John 3:1

Take the fact that God is love, and see how that dictates how we are to love others in our daily walk.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I'm going to try to follow your request but since it's a rather large OP I'm going to just pick part of it. comprendo ?

Welcome to BAM and thank you

 

[Studyman]

In the last 7 yrs on forums I have revised my own thoughts about what I was taught and heard such as the pre-trib rapture, grace ect.

I had only heard of Mormons and JW by their witness or missions but did not know what they believed. I did not have a clue what a calvinist, arminianist, unitarian, deniers of Christ's deity ect was until I joined the forums.

I live in the South with multiple denominations but it was never a huge factor as we all seemed to claim salvation and believe in Jesus, eventhough we did not mix denoms.

Our flesh is self absorbed and puffed up, if only in our own minds. We do think we ALL are correct and could not possibly be wrong in anything we undertake. I've had to reassess my own inner person for I am stubborn, love to win arguments and do not see grey, just black & white. So yeah, it is easy to be blind and twice as hard to be corrected.

IT is a shame that we all claim to love God, his word and walk in the Spirit yet cannot find the common thread that should bind us as believers instead of unraveling our faith !

The "Jesus of the Bible" didn't come to unite everyone "Who professed to know God", or "Called Him Lord, Lord", or the "many" who "Come in His Name". HE came to divide the "hearers only", for those who hear Him, and "DO" what He says. At least this is what HE tells us.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

So here are "Many" different religious sects and businesses of this world who profess to be "Christians". And what does the "Jesus of the bible" tell them? Did HE look for a "Common Thread" among them to unite them? Truly these "Many" were "Believers". What will the Jesus "of the bible" say to them "in that day"?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Are these not religious men who transgress God's Commandments by their own religious traditions? The "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but have rejected God's Judgments and created their own? The "many" who reject God's Statutes in favor of popular religious manmade high days? The "Many" who create and promote images of God in the likeness of some random handsome man?

Isn't the Word of God the "Sword of the Lord"? And are we not to use it to discern between those who "Transform themselves" into Apostles of Christ, from those who have fallen on the Christ and are broken?

This world's religions have already tried to unite once. It was called the Tower of Babal. This world's religious sects and businesses will continue to compete for butts to fill the seats of their manmade shrines of worship until the Jesus "of the Bible" returns with HIS Reward, "to give every man according as his work shall be."

God's people are not to unite with the religions of this world, they are to separate themselves from them. How is it you don't know this after 47 years of study?

In closing, consider the Jesus "of the Bible's" Warning to His Disciples regarding the future.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

What religion is Jesus warning about here? Not Islam, not Buddhism, not even Atheists. His greatest fear for His People in the future was the "many" who will come in Christ's Name, AKA "Christianity".

And you are shaming men because they aren't trying to find "common thread" to Bind them together with these "Many".

Perhaps we should be the ones who change our ways, and "Bind" ourselves with the One True God, and His Son who HE sent to us. To let God define for us what is Holy, what is clean, what is good and what is righteousness. And be like the Lord's Christ who showed HIS faith in God by His Works.

Heb. 5: 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Jesus was also born into a world in which "many" religious men "professed to know God" existed, along with their religious traditions which transgressed God's commandments, and their manmade shrines of worship. He didn't seek common ground to be bound with them. He spent His Entire Life exposing them. Even in His Last breath HE exposed their Sin. "forgive them, for they know not what they do", even though they had "Transformed themselves" into priests of God and had exclusive rights to the Oracles of God.


Food for thought.

 

[civic]

God Himself is love. He is the definition and epitome of love, the creator and source of it, and the ultimate demonstrator of love!

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15:13

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. Ephesians 2:4-5

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 1 John 3:1

Take the fact that God is love, and see how that dictates how we are to love others in our daily walk.

Amen

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Do not we all have the word, claim to be saved, claim to have the Spirit and walk in obedience ?

I am no one's judge for I cannot read hearts. I also will not have any stand before me to decide who knew the righteousness of God, who didn't nor who deceived themselves or were deceived.

What I do know is this Jesus is our only means of salvation and it by grace through faith the gift is offered to any, all and whosoever will.

We are instructed NOT to rip up the supposed tares for we may damage the young wheat that is growing alongside.He will do the harvesting in due season.

Everyone is NOT correct, neither is everyone incorrect but it is God whom will decide by his records who is worthy to enter into the glories of the Lord, not my decision nor anyone else's.

I'm not shaming any only asking that we carry forth the SUPREME LOVE for God, for mankind and for one another.

Be at peace within your own hearts for my intent is not to harm another even if that is perceived.

 

[Adherent]

God Himself is love. He is the definition and epitome of love, the creator and source of it, and the ultimate demonstrator of love!

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15:13

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. Ephesians 2:4-5

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 1 John 3:1

Take the fact that God is love, and see how that dictates how we are to love others in our daily walk.

Nice post, with scripture to back it up.

 

[Ezra]

Nice post, with scripture to back it up.

Thank you and welcome to the Forum

 

[Ezra]

Amen

And Amen!

 

[Adherent]

Thank you and welcome to the Forum

Thank you for the welcome

 

[Studyman]

Do not we all have the word, claim to be saved, claim to have the Spirit and walk in obedience ?

This is the claim of the Pharisees and the "Christians" in Matt. 7, along with David, and Paul and Jesus Himself.

So what does this mean? That some people are deceived into believing things that are not true, even about themselves, and some people are not?

I am no one's judge for I cannot read hearts. I also will not have any stand before me to decide who knew the righteousness of God, who didn't nor who deceived themselves or were deceived.

The Jesus "of the Bible" says a man's heart is known by his works.

What I do know is this Jesus is our only means of salvation and it by grace through faith the gift is offered to any, all and whosoever will.

Then if this is truly believed, wouldn't a Faithful man be, not just be a hearer of the Sayings of the Christ "of the bible", but also a "Doer" of the Word's?

Eph. 2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. So what happens to men who claim the Gift, but refure to walk in the Works God created for them to walk in?

Doesn't Jesus tell us in Matt. 7, regarding those "Many" who clearly claimed the gift offered to all men, but rejected the "good works" that God before ordained that HIS People should walk in. Wouldn't "Faith" in God be shown by a man's works?

We are instructed NOT to rip up the supposed tares for we may damage the young wheat that is growing alongside. He will do the harvesting in due season.

This is simply not true, according to Scriptures. We are told not to "rip" up the young wheat, but to help them that the tares they are placed among, don't take them over.

Everyone is NOT correct, neither is everyone incorrect but it is God whom will decide by his records who is worthy to enter into the glories of the Lord, not my decision nor anyone else's.

There are things which are incorrect, and there are things which are correct. Jesus was not born in Galilee, although the mainstream preachers of HIS time believed and taught that HE was. This teaching is a deception, a lie and causes offence to young believers seeking God's Truth, which is evil, although those promoting the falsehoods cannot see it. Jesus didn't look for common ground among the religions of this world HE was born into, so that HE could "Bind" them all together. This is incorrect. This teaching is a deception, although it is taught by "Many" who come in Christ's Name.

I don't judge the person, or the heart. A man's works show the content of his heart. I am instructed to discern between doctrines and traditions that are wrought in God, according to the holy Scriptures, from doctrines and traditions that are not wrought in God, according to the holy scriptures.

Why else would I be instructed to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Would a man not need to discern between doctrines and philosophies of men, and judgments and commandments of God given that Jesus warns over and over about many deceivers who come in His Name?

I'm not shaming any only asking that we carry forth the SUPREME LOVE for God, for mankind and for one another.

Should a man not first "SEEK" what God's Love is? God is not a man therefore His Love is not man's Love. How did the Jesus "of the bible" love those "many" who prophesied in His Name, cast out devils in His Name, did all manner of wonderful works, all in His Name, but transgressed God's commandments by their own religious traditions?

I am only asking that men consider the warnings of the Christ and acknowledge the Love He showed those men who called Him Lord, Lord, but refused to be a "Doer" of His sayings.

Be at peace within your own hearts for my intent is not to harm another even if that is perceived.

The Jesus "of the bible" tells me that men love darkness. I have found this true beyond a doubt within myself. A deception, a falsehood about God or His Son, is an evil darkness, although we may perceive that it isn't.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil ( promoting lies about God and His Word is evil, Yes? even if we don't perceive it as such) hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This is clearly seen especially in men who profess to know God. They adopt a belief, like Jesus was born in Galilee, or Jesus wants His People to seek common ground with this world's religions and bind together with them.

Because men Love their religion, their traditions, their philosophies, they avoid the Light, the Words of Christ, which may expose them as from man and not God. The mainstream preachers of Christ's Time could have easily just asked Jesus where HE was from. But they would rather preserve the darkness than risk the Light exposing it. It's the same with the popular religious philosophy that Jesus wants His people to seek common ground among this world's religions "who come in His Name" and bind together with them. All they would have to do is read what Jesus actually says, which would expose this popular doctrine as a falsehood. But they love their religion and avoid the Light to preserve it. I know this because His Light exposed this same truth in me.

But there is another kind of man who loves darkness, a man "Seeking the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness".

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This man Comes to the Light for the very purpose of exposing the darkness HE believes is in his heart, because he believes in the Jesus of the bible. This is the path I have chosen. A path of humiliation, correction, chastisement and a broken heart. And I want to know, so I keep asking God to expose the darkness I know is within my heart. Truly I am broken, and the religious doctrines and traditions of man I have believed since my youth, exposed and destroyed by the Word of God who became Flesh.

The reason why I replied to your post, referencing God's Word to expose a teaching you are promoting, is because I am loving you with God's Love, just as Jesus Loved me.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

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@Studyman​

Regarding my post #65

This is the ONLY address you will receive from me and if this you are displaying is love then you keep it, for God is not like your post. Furthermore whatever your problem or whatever you think you know of me YOU DO NOT !
Many here know me from other forums so put your paintbrush back in the can for your judgements are skewed and it is plainly seen. Each point is addressed by scripture so if you have a problem, talk to God.

All I believe and stand on comes by the word through the Spirit but I AM STILL TEACHABLE!​

Proverbs 21:2-4
2 Every way of man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.
3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.
4 An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.


Jeremiah 17:9 In-Context
9 The heart of man is shrewd, and unsearchable; who shall know it? (Each person's heart is depraved, and unknowable; who can understand it?)
10 I am the Lord seeking the heart, and proving the reins, either kidneys, and I give to each man after his way, and after the fruit of his findings.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given by men,WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Rev. 20 Verses 11 to 15
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,according to their works.

Romans 13:10-
Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

DO NOT ADDRESS ME AGAIN !

 

[Studyman]

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@Studyman​

Regarding my post #65

This is the ONLY address you will receive from me and if this you are displaying is love then you keep it, for God is not like your post. Furthermore whatever your problem or whatever you think you know of me YOU DO NOT !

I only know your preaching L.A.M.B., And that you ignored EVERY Scripture I posted in response of your teaching "IT is a shame that we all claim to love God, his word and walk in the Spirit yet cannot find the common thread that should bind us as believers instead of unraveling our faith".

Including the Christ's Own Words in which HE warned about the "Many" deceivers who "come in His Name", Who "claim to Love God, His Word and walk in His Spirit".

I didn't ask you to behave in this manner, but you did. That is all I know about you.

Many here know me from other forums so put your paintbrush back in the can for your judgements are skewed and it is plainly seen. Each point is addressed by scripture so if you have a problem, talk to God.

I did, I asked Him, "Jesus, do you advocate that the Body of Christ should seek common ground with the religions of this world who transgress the commandments of God by their own religious traditions, and then be bound with them? Here is what Jesus said.

Matt. 6: 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Will you then post a big rebuke against the Jesus "of the Bible" for instructing me against the popular religious philosophies and traditions of this world's religions?

All I believe and stand on comes by the word through the Spirit but I AM STILL TEACHABLE!​

Proverbs 21:2-4
2 Every way of man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.
3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.
4 An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.

That's great news. So then, why the big rebuke towards me?

2 Cor. 6: 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, "and be ye separate", saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Paul doesn't say to find common ground with them, and bind ourselves to them as believers. Even Abraham was told to leave his own family, his own father. Did God instruct him to find a common thread with them and stay bound with them?

After 47 years of study, are you really going to tell me you don't know what these scriptures and the warnings of the Jesus "of the Bible" means?

Jeremiah 17:9 In-Context
9 The heart of man is shrewd, and unsearchable; who shall know it? (Each person's heart is depraved, and unknowable; who can understand it?)
10 I am the Lord seeking the heart, and proving the reins, either kidneys, and I give to each man after his way, and after the fruit of his findings.

Amen!!

Jer. 6:16 16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given by men,WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.

Amen!!!

Eph. 5: 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Amen!!

Mark 7: 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Matt. 5: 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 13:24-30 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Amen!!!

Rev. 18: 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Rev. 20 Verses 11 to 15
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,according to their works.

Amen!!

Rev. 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith "of Jesus".

Romans 13:10-Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Amen!!

John 5: 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

DO NOT ADDRESS ME AGAIN !

Acts 5: 28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

I understand how many of the scriptures would be difficult for you to address and honestly discuss. I am fine with you not replying to my posts, and I will no longer bring question to yours. as you wish.

 

[sethproton]

The definition of saviour is two-fold;
1. In common vernacular it is any person who rescues or liberates someone from some terrible fate or danger.
2.In Christianity, God or Jesus Christ as the redeemer of sin and saver of souls.

There are many OT scripts that prove GOD as the Saviour of the children of Israel and/or OT saints.
Isaiah 43: (please read)
Isaiah 63:
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Many, many times we see in our studies at the beginning of Abraham onward from Egypt, God saved or rescued his ppl of promise from captivity, and annihilation. (He was not at this time in the business of saving the whole world; that was future, in Christ ! Galatians 3:Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.)
Yet these continued to reject and rebel against him requiring the institution of the Mosuac Law to bring them under subjection.

For four thousand years & change, God dealt with them in their rebellion, then he proceeded to implement his complete plan for the whole of this world that was agreed upon before the foundations were lain.
1 Timothy 2:
4 Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth SALVATION hath appeared to ALL men,

Titus 3:
4 But after that the kindness and LOVE OF GOD our Savior toward man appeared,
5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his MERCY he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our SAVIOUR ;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD:
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, SPECIALLY OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
( Btw, I am not a universalists, I stand against their hogwash ! TODAY is the DAY of our Salvation !)

It is those that BELIEVE on Jesus' d,b, & r and accept him as their Saviour that are saved!
I John 4:
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, BECAUSE HE HATH GIVEN US OF HIS SPIRIT.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 4:12 - Neither is there SALVATION in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Our wages are just bc we have sinned and rebelled against God in our sin of unbelief of his gift & his truth!
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus settled the wrath of God towards sin, in Christ Jesus his Son, to whosoever will BELIEVE ON HIM !.
1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

We are to have compassion on one another and this lost dying world to present to them our Savior and to be a saviour of others by representing Jesus Christ, God in the flesh !
Jude 1:
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
is obviously
Let us not have inward fighting among the household of faith but let us rejoice that our names are written in the book of life. Let us search out sound doctrine in his truths and let's us share such in love, reasoning together that ALL might endure in righteous standing in our relationship with him !

I read your opening, but I never read long posts all the way thru unless I know the poster or something really catches my attention, so my post is not generally positive or negative about your post. But right near the top, one thing caught my eye. I wonder if you talk about this later in your post. Most often in the Old testament God saved the Jews in a earthly physical way (not exclusively) but in the New, while that concept is obviously still spoken of, the word "saved" is most commonly used as a synonym of born again.
The entire physical ife of the Jews and their people is a type pointing to New Testament life thru salvation.

 

[Rockson]

Jesus was also born into a world in which "many" religious men "professed to know God" existed, along with their religious traditions which transgressed God's commandments, and their manmade shrines of worship. He didn't seek common ground to be bound with them. He spent His Entire Life exposing them. Even in His Last breath HE exposed their Sin. "forgive them, for they know not what they do", even though they had "Transformed themselves" into priests of God and had exclusive rights to the Oracles of God.


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I think people lose sight of an important thing here though. You can and should seek common ground with people who are genuine Christians even though there can be differences of opinion. We have no common ground with anyone who doesn't hold to Jesus is the only way to the Father.

 

[Studyman]

I think people lose sight of an important thing here though. You can and should seek common ground with people who are genuine Christians even though there can be differences of opinion. We have no common ground with anyone who doesn't hold to Jesus is the only way to the Father.

I understand the sentiment. But even with those "Christians" in Matt. 7:22, Jesus didn't work to find common ground with them. There are undeniable Biblical Truths, this is simply true. Should men who call Jesus Lord, Lord, Seek the Truth of God, as opposed to justifying a particular religious philosophy promoted by one of "many" religious sects and businesses which exist in the World God placed us in? If deception promoted by men who "come in Christ's Name", or "transform themselves into apostles of Christ", or the Many who call Jesus Lord, Lord, wasn't a credible danger or threat to true believers, then why did God and His Son Warn so many times about them?

What is more dangerous to believers in the garden God placed us in, than other voices who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him?

Again, I get the whole "Kum ba yah" opinion, but it seems God wants us to "Take heed" concerning the preachers of this world.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and "they say" unto every one "that walketh after the imagination of his own heart", No evil shall come upon you.
I would be careful about the religious influence promoted by this world's religions my friend. Jesus and His father didn't warn of them in vain, in my opinion.

 

[DavidTree]

The definition of saviour is two-fold;
1. In common vernacular it is any person who rescues or liberates someone from some terrible fate or danger.
2.In Christianity, God or Jesus Christ as the redeemer of sin and saver of souls.

There are many OT scripts that prove GOD as the Saviour of the children of Israel and/or OT saints.
Isaiah 43: (please read)
Isaiah 63:
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Many, many times we see in our studies at the beginning of Abraham onward from Egypt, God saved or rescued his ppl of promise from captivity, and annihilation. (He was not at this time in the business of saving the whole world; that was future, in Christ ! Galatians 3:Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.)
Yet these continued to reject and rebel against him requiring the institution of the Mosuac Law to bring them under subjection.

For four thousand years & change, God dealt with them in their rebellion, then he proceeded to implement his complete plan for the whole of this world that was agreed upon before the foundations were lain.
1 Timothy 2:
4 Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth SALVATION hath appeared to ALL men,

Titus 3:
4 But after that the kindness and LOVE OF GOD our Savior toward man appeared,
5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his MERCY he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our SAVIOUR ;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD:
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, SPECIALLY OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
( Btw, I am not a universalists, I stand against their hogwash ! TODAY is the DAY of our Salvation !)

It is those that BELIEVE on Jesus' d,b, & r and accept him as their Saviour that are saved!
I John 4:
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, BECAUSE HE HATH GIVEN US OF HIS SPIRIT.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 4:12 - Neither is there SALVATION in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Our wages are just bc we have sinned and rebelled against God in our sin of unbelief of his gift & his truth!
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus settled the wrath of God towards sin, in Christ Jesus his Son, to whosoever will BELIEVE ON HIM !.
1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

We are to have compassion on one another and this lost dying world to present to them our Savior and to be a saviour of others by representing Jesus Christ, God in the flesh !
Jude 1:
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Let us not have inward fighting among the household of faith but let us rejoice that our names are written in the book of life. Let us search out sound doctrine in his truths and let's us share such in love, reasoning together that ALL might endure in righteous standing in our relationship with him !

The same Elohim who Saved the Jewish People with an "Outstretched Arm" is the Same Elohim who came to earth and died for the sins of the world.

John 6:46 - "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. "

John 5:37 - "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. "

 

[dwight92070]

I also live in the south where Baptists and Methodists are the predominant denominations with the occasional Evangelical, Church of Christ, Presbyterian, and Catholic Church. Orthodox churches are rare but there's several of them popping up in the Appalachian region. If I just landed from Mars, to which Church do I go to? With which Church would I start from? There is no Church guide in the Bible. That's because the Early Church was fully established for over a decade before Paul's ink was even dry for his first Epistle, let alone copied and propagated throughout the Empire. So there was no need for a Church Services guide to be in the Bible. So where do we go to find this Apostolic Church?

That's a good question. I ended up in a homechurch 23 years ago here in the southwest. Calvary Chapel's were decent for awhile, but they have become their own denomination with some trappings, one of which is dispensationalism, which I reject as unBiblical. You can't be a pastor in Calvary Chapel if you don't agree with dispensationalism. Although they say they agree with the gifts of the Spirit, I never saw them actually being "used" in any church service, or even home group, for that matter - and we went to a CC for close to 6 years. Another issue I had, was that the pastor would go through the Bible verse-by-verse, or maybe they would take a particular book of the Bible, and go through it verse-by-verse. Originally I liked that, but after a while, it can get very boring and dead. I think all CC's do that because that's what Chuck Smith did. So there's no freedom to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. I believe all CC pastors must do that. It's much more interesting, and freeing for the pastor if he is not bound by that verse-by-verse rule ad infinitum.

I would stay away from churches that have a church membership list - that is not Biblical. King James only - stay away from them - too cult-like. In fact, any institutionalized church will have many problems that you won't usually see in a home church. Home churches are not perfect, but they beat any institutionalized church hands down IMO. There's no building to pay off and maintain, far fewer church officers, if any, to support. Whenever you have a building, the tendency is to utilize it during the week as well, so many programs are created. You need Sunday school teachers and nursery workers and custodians and a maintenance crew. You'll need a choir director, and a choir, and a worship team and a youth pastor, and on and on it goes. The "requirements" are endless. You'll need deacons and a money manager. Our pastor lives off of offerings, plus he teaches part-time at a local Bible University. His wife works at a charter school. He gets no salary or benefits from home church.

 

[Complete]

Subject Heading:- Saviour, Saved and Salvation

The definition of saviour is two-fold;
1. In common vernacular it is any person who rescues or liberates someone from some terrible fate or danger.
2.In Christianity, God or Jesus Christ as the redeemer of sin and saver of souls.

There are many OT scripts that prove GOD as the Saviour of the children of Israel and/or OT saints.
Isaiah 43: (please read)
Isaiah 63:
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Many, many times we see in our studies at the beginning of Abraham onward from Egypt, God saved or rescued his ppl of promise from captivity, and annihilation. (He was not at this time in the business of saving the whole world; that was future, in Christ ! Galatians 3:Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.)
Yet these continued to reject and rebel against him requiring the institution of the Mosuac Law to bring them under subjection.

For four thousand years & change, God dealt with them in their rebellion, then he proceeded to implement his complete plan for the whole of this world that was agreed upon before the foundations were lain.
1 Timothy 2:
4 Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth SALVATION hath appeared to ALL men,

Titus 3:
4 But after that the kindness and LOVE OF GOD our Savior toward man appeared,
5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his MERCY he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our SAVIOUR ;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD:
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, SPECIALLY OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
( Btw, I am not a universalists, I stand against their hogwash ! TODAY is the DAY of our Salvation !)

It is those that BELIEVE on Jesus' d,b, & r and accept him as their Saviour that are saved!
I John 4:
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, BECAUSE HE HATH GIVEN US OF HIS SPIRIT.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 4:12 - Neither is there SALVATION in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Our wages are just bc we have sinned and rebelled against God in our sin of unbelief of his gift & his truth!
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus settled the wrath of God towards sin, in Christ Jesus his Son, to whosoever will BELIEVE ON HIM !.
1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

We are to have compassion on one another and this lost dying world to present to them our Savior and to be a saviour of others by representing Jesus Christ, God in the flesh !
Jude 1:
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Thank you @L.A.M.B.

Let us not have inward fighting among the household of faith but let us rejoice that our names are written in the book of life. Let us search out sound doctrine in his truths and let's us share such in love, reasoning together that ALL might endure in righteous standing in our relationship with him !

Amen.

In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[e v e]

this corrupt evil realm earth is a bit like an ER if you ever saw that program
where it all ends in death...often times...
and the churches make it worse...
by their philistine kjv

and constantly He has tried to save us Out of
here... and each soul
being unique
with unique attributes,
the situation is unique for that soul


but almost always
no one wants to go home...
because traditions are too strong.

which is how the OT fathers got cursed

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus is the Saviour of sinners from their sins, His People Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus would be a failure if His Saving Power didn't apply His Salvation unto them He came to save. The application of Salvation is vital to saving a sinner from the power, dominion of sin.