Confessing Christ

[praise_yeshua]

I'm curious. How many Calvinists here have actually "confessed" Jesus Christ relative to proclaiming Christ Lord.

I ask because there are a large subset of Calvinist that actually don't practice confessional Salvation. They simply believe God saved them without any action of their own.

They just "boom" were saved one day.....

 

[Rockson]

I'm curious. How many Calvinists here have actually "confessed" Jesus Christ relative to proclaiming Christ Lord.

I ask because there are a large subset of Calvinist that actually don't practice confessional Salvation. They simply believe God saved them without any action of their own.

They just "boom" were saved one day.....

That's a very good question for a Calvinist to answer.

 

[Presby02]

I'm curious. How many Calvinists here have actually "confessed" Jesus Christ relative to proclaiming Christ Lord.

I ask because there are a large subset of Calvinist that actually don't practice confessional Salvation. They simply believe God saved them without any action of their own.

They just "boom" were saved one day.....

Is it the confession that saves you?

 

[mailmandan]

Confession is an expression of faith and not a work for salvation. (Romans 10:8-10)

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is it the confession that saves you?

Yes. Have you confessed Christ?

Jhn 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

 

[praise_yeshua]

Confession is an expression of faith and not a work for salvation. (Romans 10:8-10)

Who said it was a work? Why are you being dishonest and trying to change what I said?

Have you confessed Christ. I have personally meet Calvinists that have never openly confessed Christ.

They are like those "Hollywood" preachers in films preaching. They don't have any problem talking about Christ.

 

[Presby02]

Yes. Have you confessed Christ?

Jhn 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

So if I can't talk I'm screwed?

 

[mailmandan]

Who said it was a work? Why are you being dishonest and trying to change what I said?

Have you confessed Christ. I have personally meet Calvinists that have never openly confessed Christ.

They are like those "Hollywood" preachers in films preaching. They don't have any problem talking about Christ.

Sure I have confessed Christ openly on multiple occasions and I was not accusing you of anything. I was simply clarifying in general that it is not a work for salvation.

 

[civic]

Sure I have confessed Christ openly on multiple occasions and I was not accusing you of anything. I was simply clarifying in general that it is not a work for salvation.

Would you agree it’s part of salvific faith in the gospel as Paul outlined in Romans 10:8-15

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[d] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

 

[praise_yeshua]

So if I can't talk I'm screwed?

Geesh..... No. Others that can not talk can communicate different ways.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sure I have confessed Christ openly on multiple occasions and I was not accusing you of anything. I was simply clarifying in general that it is not a work for salvation.

Work or not, it is essential. Salvation is not complete without confession.

 

[mailmandan]

Would you agree it’s part of salvific faith in the gospel as Paul outlined in Romans 10:8-15

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[d] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

Salvia faith is expressed in confession. The word of faith is in our mouth and in our heart TOGETHER. (Romans 10:8)

 

[praise_yeshua]

Salvia faith is expressed in confession. The word of faith is in our mouth and in our heart TOGETHER. (Romans 10:8)

They can be there at different times. There is nothing in Romans 10:8 denying temporal order.

 

[mailmandan]

They can be there at different times. There is nothing in Romans 10:8 denying temporal order.

Paul is not talking about believing in our heart unto righteousness today (but still lost) until we round up a group of people next week and verbally confess Christ to them and then we are finally saved next week. That would turn confession into a work for salvation. Also, someone who is "mute" (unable to speak) would remain lost for failing to "verbally" confess with their mouth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Paul is not talking about believing in our heart unto righteousness today (but still lost) until we round up a group of people next week and verbally confess Christ to them and then we are finally saved next week. That would turn confession into a work for salvation. Also, someone who is "mute" (unable to speak) would remain lost for failing to "verbally" confess with their mouth.

Read what I told another. Those that can not speak can still communicate. Your appeal to "mute" is absolutely ridiculous and nothing but misdirection. Your appeal the requiring weeks to confess is also nonsense. The confession is to God. God is the one who approves.

Confession is made UNTO Salvation. You can try to twist this all you want. Paul was right. You are not.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation.

 

[mailmandan]

Read what I told another. Those that can not speak can still communicate. Your appeal to "mute" is absolutely ridiculous and nothing but misdirection. Your appeal the requiring weeks to confess is also nonsense. The confession is to God. God is the one who approves.

Confession is made UNTO Salvation. You can try to twist this all you want. Paul was right. You are not.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation.

Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (TOGETHER) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9-10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess.

 

[mailmandan]

1 Corinthians 12:13 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit.

There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing Jesus as Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior.

So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead does not result in righteousness and simply giving "lip service" to the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit as a work for salvation is not unto salvation.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (TOGETHER) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9-10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess.

You're repeating yourself and making claim without evidence.

Calvinists always falsely deny a temporal order to salvation.

Belief is relative to recognizing God's righteousness. Confess is UNTO salvation.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation.

Clear example of those who believed upon Christ but refused to confess Him

Joh 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
Joh 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

I believed in Jesus Christ for many years without any sense of confession.

 

[praise_yeshua]

1 Corinthians 12:13 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit.

There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing Jesus as Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior.

So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead does not result in righteousness and simply giving "lip service" to the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit as a work for salvation is not unto salvation.

I never said that confession was simply knowledge OF Jesus. Nothing but misdirection from you.

I believe the Scriptures. I know that John knows what he is talking about when he speaks of people believing on Jesus and refusing to confess Him.

 

[mailmandan]

You're repeating yourself and making claim without evidence.

Calvinists always falsely deny a temporal order to salvation.

Belief is relative to recognizing God's righteousness. Confess is UNTO salvation.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation.

Clear example of those who believed upon Christ but refused to confess Him

Joh 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
Joh 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

I believed in Jesus Christ for many years without any sense of confession.

I have provided evidence and who said I was a Calvinist? I wasted no time Confessing Jesus as Lord as a new believer and the word of faith was in my mouth and heart together from the start.

In regard to John 1242, we do not know the real condition of these "believing" rulers' hearts (mere mental assent belief James 2:19) or (trust and reliance saving belief John 3:16), but we do know that they loved men's praises (v. 43) more than God's. The unwillingness of the chief rulers to confess Christ in this isolated situation may throw doubt on the complete genuineness of their faith or did they simply have a weak moment in this isolated situation in front of the Pharisees? Does this mean they did not confess Christ to others?

The Apostle Peter at one point failed to confess Jesus before men (John 18:17-27), but after the Holy Spirit was given, he was a different man who boldly confessed Him. (Acts 4:8-13) We know that Peter was saved even though he had a weak moment and the same may be true for these chief rulers as well.

Does the text specifically say that they were saved or not saved? If the chief rulers truly believed (trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation) even though they had a weak moment, then they are saved, but if their lack of confession was the result of a lack of genuine belief, then they are not saved. (John 3:18)