Christian and Catholic!

[JLB]

all of them would be included technically

Let’s look at that and see.

Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
James 2:17-21

What “work” did Abraham do, by which he was justified?


The works of the law?
The work that earns a wage?
Works of righteousness?
The work of obedience?


Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Does faith come from God?

Do we earn faith or is it a gift?


Shall I give an example of faith from from God in active to clarify?

for by grace we have been saved

salvation is the gift. Not faith

While faith must come from God and he draws us to him, it is still not the gift in eph 2

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Please post the scripture that says faith causes action.

please post scripture that says saving faith would not cause action

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Ah, I see you don’t understand the principle of faith.

yawn

I understand it well

Faith trust, it is assured. it is not blind faith. it is based on living evidence and proof.

so when you trust someone with saving faith. this is what it means

If I say I believe, yet am not assured. do not trust the evidence, or do not really trust the thing I say I trust.

then I do nto really have faith in it

how can we prove which faith a person has

living faith produces trust in the living word. followed by actions

dead faith has no works. l because it has no trust, or it does not trust the words. and twists the words to mean something else (like adding works to the gospel)

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Let’s look at that and see.

Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
James 2:17-21

What “work” did Abraham do, by which he was justified?

Lets look at it again

but lets continue the passage in james to get context.

and just to show. I can do this because they both quote the same passage in genesis (I have highlighted them in blue)

22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

but lets use another passage to bring it into context.

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 ust as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

so lets look at these two

In romans 4.

1. Paul says Abraham could not be saved by works. He was saved by faith only
2. Paul says if braham tried to work for it. He would have something to boast of (he saved himself) Paul used same words in Eph 2
3. Paul says if abraham worked for it, he would have incured debt, not grace
4. Paul says it is not those who work, but those who trust God who are saved
5. Paul says that righteousness is imputed to all men (not just abraham) apart from works (no works are involved)
6. Paul quote david, saying blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin because he has forgiven those sins and they are covered

In james

1. James questioned people who said they had faith. But had no works (he did not question their lack of works. he questioned their claimed faith)
2. He then in order to stir them up to test their own faith, ask the question. can this faith (that is a hearer only not a doer. it has no works) save?
3. James then goes onto show them his own works. I will prove my faith by my works (just as abraham did as we will see)
4. He ten called them out. You prove to me your faith without works)
5. James then quoted the same quote from gen 15. which is when Abraham was saved (imputed righteousness)
6. And just as James said his works proved his faith, Abraham also had works to prove his faith.
7. James used an example of a work. Abraham offered up his son Isaac. (this occurred decades after Abraham was imputed righteousness in Gen 15. So Abraham was already saved when he did this work)
8. James then states the truth, When abraham offers his son, his faith was perfected (proven) and GOD was vindicated when he saved abraham many decades before.. which means God knew abrahams faith was reasl. and did not make a mistake

so here we have two passages, both in agreement

saly you and others like you want to look at james a totally different way. reject or ignore paul or twist paus words (as you do james words) and make them apposed to each other. causes james and paul to be at odds. making both of their writtings invalid and untrustworthy

You want to follow a word that can not be trusted. feel free. count me out

The works of the law?
The work that earns a wage?
Works of righteousness?
The work of obedience?


Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

already answered before. this is not going to draw a different answer.

Non of those works will save you. no work will save you period

the work of the cross is your only hope. receive it in faith. or reject it and try to earn it yourself. those are your only two options

 

[DavidTree]

I'm Both Christian and Catholic

I believe I am saved by grace alone, received by faith alone, apart from works.

I am also a practicing Catholic.

A Catholic

I love the Mass. Welcoming Jesus Christ in the Eucharist is a very personal meeting with God for me. I go to Confession once a week and this discipline has fundamentally changed the direction of my life. I bless myself daily with holy water to remind me of my baptism while I recommit my day and life to Jesus Christ. I am a Catholic.

Unearned Love from God

But I don't do any of these things to convince God to love me. I do them because God has already decided to love me, without conditions, on the cross – before I ever did a single good or bad deed. You see, I'm not Catholic so I can deserve God's grace. I'm Catholic in response to God's unearned and undeserved grace. Nothing I can do can make God love me more. And nothing I can do can make God love me less. I am loved and saved apart from my works. To many people that sounds Protestant or Evangelical, but to me that's just being a Christian and I can't even begin to understand Jesus or my Catholicism without this truth.

A Christian Catholic

I am a Christian.

I am also a Catholic.

I used to wonder if it was impossible or dishonest to call myself "Christian" and "Catholic" at the same time – because that's so much of what the world, including much of the Christian world, says. My heart, however, wants nothing more than to be both. And I've learned that God intends me to truly be both fully as I walk with him through this life on my way to see him face to face in the next. Let me share my story and what I have learned with you.

How about you?

Are you a Catholic who has been blessed by Evangelical Christians and the message that salvation is a gift given by grace alone and received by faith alone apart from you works?

Are you a Born-Again Christian who wonders if your Catholic friends truly understand how God's free gift of grace saves us?

Read these passages from the Bible (passages both Catholics and Protestants believe in) and discover that as St. Jerome said, "God justifies us by faith alone."

Ask God to personally show you how he wants you to see your personal relationship with him, regardless of what church you attend, in a new light based on what you read in his Word now.

Well, God alone knows your heart and where you currently are.

As a RCC Baptized & Confirmed member myself, i can share with you why i no longer practice that which displeases God from RCC/Vatican teachings.

baby water baptism = no significance before GOD as a person MUST be of the age of awareness of the Gospel
Praying to idols = SIN
Mariolatry = SIN
Transubstantiation = FALSE = the bread and wine remain bread and wine for it is SYMBOLIC
RCC confessional = FALSE = you cannot absolve of your sins via a priest and repetitious prayers
Pope as the Vicar of Christ = MAJOR SIN = Antichrist = false apostles
Vatican = not of God, established by men in opposition to God = false apostles, doctrines of demons

When a person hears God's Voice saying "Come out of her my people", that person(myself) obeyed God and was set FREE

 

[DavidTree]

Lets look at it again

but lets continue the passage in james to get context.

and just to show. I can do this because they both quote the same passage in genesis (I have highlighted them in blue)

22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

but lets use another passage to bring it into context.

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 ust as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

so lets look at these two

In romans 4.

1. Paul says Abraham could not be saved by works. He was saved by faith only
2. Paul says if braham tried to work for it. He would have something to boast of (he saved himself) Paul used same words in Eph 2
3. Paul says if abraham worked for it, he would have incured debt, not grace
4. Paul says it is not those who work, but those who trust God who are saved
5. Paul says that righteousness is imputed to all men (not just abraham) apart from works (no works are involved)
6. Paul quote david, saying blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin because he has forgiven those sins and they are covered

In james

1. James questioned people who said they had faith. But had no works (he did not question their lack of works. he questioned their claimed faith)
2. He then in order to stir them up to test their own faith, ask the question. can this faith (that is a hearer only not a doer. it has no works) save?
3. James then goes onto show them his own works. I will prove my faith by my works (just as abraham did as we will see)
4. He ten called them out. You prove to me your faith without works)
5. James then quoted the same quote from gen 15. which is when Abraham was saved (imputed righteousness)
6. And just as James said his works proved his faith, Abraham also had works to prove his faith.
7. James used an example of a work. Abraham offered up his son Isaac. (this occurred decades after Abraham was imputed righteousness in Gen 15. So Abraham was already saved when he did this work)
8. James then states the truth, When abraham offers his son, his faith was perfected (proven) and GOD was vindicated when he saved abraham many decades before.. which means God knew abrahams faith was reasl. and did not make a mistake

so here we have two passages, both in agreement

saly you and others like you want to look at james a totally different way. reject or ignore paul or twist paus words (as you do james words) and make them apposed to each other. causes james and paul to be at odds. making both of their writtings invalid and untrustworthy

You want to follow a word that can not be trusted. feel free. count me out








already answered before. this is not going to draw a different answer.

Non of those works will save you. no work will save you period

the work of the cross is your only hope. receive it in faith. or reject it and try to earn it yourself. those are your only two options

@JLB

Can you SEE that the work of Abraham sacrificing his only begotten son on the altar, was FIRST the work of God via the Word of God by which Abraham responded too???

 

[mailmandan]

the work of the cross is your only hope. receive it in faith. or reject it and try to earn it yourself. those are your only two options

That sums it up. Cross or self. I choose cross. (Galatians 6:14)

Sadly, many choose SELF. SELF promotion, SELF righteousness, SELF preservation. (1 Corinthians 1:18-21)

 

[Donald]

Grace upon Grace

God gives us his love apart from our ability to deserve it which expands our hearts and makes us able to receive more of his love apart from our ability to deserve it. It's a taste of Heaven. It's a free gift merited not by us but by the free gift of grace and by the change the free gift of grace makes in us by its own power apart from anything we can do on our own. As this happens we begin to say with St. Paul: "It is no longer I who live but Christ who lives within me" (Galatians 2:20 NABRE) as we receive "grace upon grace" (John 1:16 NABRE).

God's grace truly is amazing. God offers us grace apart from our works and this inevitably creates good works in us that help us more deeply receive this grace which God offers apart from our works. It's an amazing and humbling reality that quiets and delights the soul on the deepest level when you experience it by welcoming grace and the change it makes in you over time personally.

Praying at that point doesn't require effort. Instead prayer becomes as St. Theresa of Lisieux said, "a surge of the heart" that naturally emerges from you as you recognize the great love of your Savior. It's absolutely piercing and the joy it brings is simply greater than any happiness sin can offer. Literally, by God's grace God loves us as sinners and then also loves us out of sin. Both our salvation and our changed lives are the work of grace apart from our works. It is as St. Augustine said, "Salvation is: simply and solely grace."

Christian Unity

As Catholics we really are a people who believe in salvation by grace through faith apart from works. We are. So are our Evangelical brothers and sisters. Evangelicals also really are a people who believe that faith without works is dead, because it says so in Scripture. They are. So are Catholics. We are one in Christ so much more than we know. And I think Christ weeps over our separation mostly because it is an illusion instead of a reality.

There are many ideas that divide Catholics and other groups of Christians, but our understanding of how we are saved does not need to be one of them. And if we agree on Jesus Christ and salvation by grace, then the remaining divisions are quite small by comparison.

If God can make in me a person who believes that I am saved by grace alone through faith alone apart from works and a practicing Catholic fully faithful to all the Catholic Church's teachings, we must be more one than some of us (both Catholic and Protestant) have ever imagined. Therefore, let's be more one. Perhaps the first small step is recognizing that, yes, someone can be a Christian and a Catholic like me.

Your Decision

If salvation and your changed lifestyle are the result of grace and if God has already decided he wants everyone in Heaven by offering all people grace as it says in 1 Timothy 2:4, then the only thing between you and being saved and changed is your personal decision about God's grace.

Every Catholic Sacrament is an opportunity to decide about grace. Every experience of any Christian community is an opportunity to decide about grace. Every invitation to pray, study Scripture, forgive an enemy, and love those in need is an opportunity to decide about grace. Every moment in life is an opportunity to decide about grace. And most importantly, right now is an opportunity to decide about grace.

How about You?

Have you consciously said 'yes' to the grace God offers you? If you haven't, today is a great day to say your first 'yes' to grace. If you have, today is a great day to say another deeper 'yes' to grace and affirm your invitation for God to come into your life!

If you're a Catholic, you will find this invitation to consciously welcome God's grace through this video particularly fitting. If you're not a Catholic, you too can also welcome God's grace more deeply with this invitation to pray. And wherever you are in your walk with God, realize that God's grace is always only one 'yes' away – no matter what you've done, where you go to church, or what you believe about any "disputable matters." God has said 'yes' to you on the cross as you are. All that matters now is that you say 'yes' to him.

Revelation 3​

20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

 

[Donald]

Learn more: This devotional is taken directly from the book Christian and Catholic, which has received the Imprimatur of the Catholic Church. Learn more about our Personally Catholic books and videos at PersonallyCatholic.com!

 

[mailmandan]

it does not matter

all of them would be included technically

if we work to earn something or keep from using it. whether it be a work of the law. A work of righteousness, Or a work of obedience (obeying the law)

then we are trying to earn salvation as a reward or wage.

its not works to earn a wage

rom 4
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

its not works of righteousness

Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

its not works of the law

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

its not work period

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Grace plus works equals works

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Our salvation is completed, we are not still trying to be saved by our works

Amen! In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28)

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[JLB]

please post scripture that says saving faith would not cause action

Your the one who says causes action.

It’s up to you to provide a scripture that says saving faith causes action.

The reason you can’t is it does exist.

The other problem you have is there is no such thing called “saving faith”.

That just another man made term not found in the Bible.

Faith comes from God.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

Faith comes to us when we hear Him speak to us.

Faith is activated (made alive) when we obey what we hear, otherwise faith remain dead, dormant and there inactive just as a body with out a spirit is inactive being incomplete.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

 

[JLB]

Lets look at it again

but lets continue the passage in james to get context.

and just to show. I can do this because they both quote the same passage in genesis (I have highlighted them in blue)

22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

but lets use another passage to bring it into context.

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 ust as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

so lets look at these two

In romans 4.

1. Paul says Abraham could not be saved by works. He was saved by faith only
2. Paul says if braham tried to work for it. He would have something to boast of (he saved himself) Paul used same words in Eph 2
3. Paul says if abraham worked for it, he would have incured debt, not grace
4. Paul says it is not those who work, but those who trust God who are saved
5. Paul says that righteousness is imputed to all men (not just abraham) apart from works (no works are involved)
6. Paul quote david, saying blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin because he has forgiven those sins and they are covered

In james

1. James questioned people who said they had faith. But had no works (he did not question their lack of works. he questioned their claimed faith)
2. He then in order to stir them up to test their own faith, ask the question. can this faith (that is a hearer only not a doer. it has no works) save?
3. James then goes onto show them his own works. I will prove my faith by my works (just as abraham did as we will see)
4. He ten called them out. You prove to me your faith without works)
5. James then quoted the same quote from gen 15. which is when Abraham was saved (imputed righteousness)
6. And just as James said his works proved his faith, Abraham also had works to prove his faith.
7. James used an example of a work. Abraham offered up his son Isaac. (this occurred decades after Abraham was imputed righteousness in Gen 15. So Abraham was already saved when he did this work)
8. James then states the truth, When abraham offers his son, his faith was perfected (proven) and GOD was vindicated when he saved abraham many decades before.. which means God knew abrahams faith was reasl. and did not make a mistake

so here we have two passages, both in agreement

saly you and others like you want to look at james a totally different way. reject or ignore paul or twist paus words (as you do james words) and make them apposed to each other. causes james and paul to be at odds. making both of their writtings invalid and untrustworthy

You want to follow a word that can not be trusted. feel free. count me out








already answered before. this is not going to draw a different answer.

Non of those works will save you. no work will save you period

the work of the cross is your only hope. receive it in faith. or reject it and try to earn it yourself. those are your only two options

No you didn’t answer that’s just it, because the answer is obvious.

The work that Abraham did was to obey the word of faith.

The word by which he received faith.


Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. James 2:22-23

The work that made his faith complete was to obey the word from God to sacrifice his son.

Until then his faith he received from God by just “believing” when he looked up at the stars was INCOMPLETE.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No you didn’t answer that’s just it, because the answer is obvious.

The work that Abraham did was to obey the word of faith.

The word by which he received faith.


Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. James 2:22-23

The work that made his faith complete was to obey the word from God to sacrifice his son.

Until then his faith he received from God by just “believing” when he looked up at the stars was INCOMPLETE.

Notice the word "perfect". "James" is wrong here.

Faith itself is perfect without works. Your works are filthy rags. Most people don't even know why they do the things they do. The "why" of faith is lost upon most people. Compliance is never solely perfect.

People comply with God until they don't and then pretend saying "I'm sorry" to God undoes everything they did.

Faith requires believing God does more than endlessly forgiving "repeat offenders". People remove the Eternal need of faith from the equation.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That sums it up. Cross or self. I choose cross. (Galatians 6:14)

Sadly, many choose SELF. SELF promotion, SELF righteousness, SELF preservation. (1 Corinthians 1:18-21)

yep.. Thats how satan decieves us, as he decieved satan, that God is holding back. and we can still be righteous enough

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Amen! In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28)

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

James 2

so lets look at these two

In romans 4.

1. Paul says Abraham could not be saved by works. He was saved by faith only
2. Paul says if braham tried to work for it. He would have something to boast of (he saved himself) Paul used same words in Eph 2
3. Paul says if abraham worked for it, he would have incured debt, not grace
4. Paul says it is not those who work, but those who trust God who are saved
5. Paul says that righteousness is imputed to all men (not just abraham) apart from works (no works are involved)
6. Paul quote david, saying blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin because he has forgiven those sins and they are covered

In james

1. James questioned people who said they had faith. But had no works (he did not question their lack of works. he questioned their claimed faith)
2. He then in order to stir them up to test their own faith, ask the question. can this faith (that is a hearer only not a doer. it has no works) save?
3. James then goes onto show them his own works. I will prove my faith by my works (just as abraham did as we will see)
4. He ten called them out. You prove to me your faith without works)
5. James then quoted the same quote from gen 15. which is when Abraham was saved (imputed righteousness)
6. And just as James said his works proved his faith, Abraham also had works to prove his faith.
7. James used an example of a work. Abraham offered up his son Isaac. (this occurred decades after Abraham was imputed righteousness in Gen 15. So Abraham was already saved when he did this work)
8. James then states the truth, When abraham offers his son, his faith was perfected (proven) and GOD was vindicated when he saved abraham many decades before.. which means God knew abrahams faith was reasl. and did not make a mistake

so here we have two passages, both in agreement

saly you and others like you want to look at james a totally different way. reject or ignore paul or twist paus words (as you do james words) and make them apposed to each other. causes james and paul to be at odds. making both of their writtings invalid and untrustworthy

You want to follow a word that can not be trusted. feel free. count me out

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Your the one who says causes action.

It’s up to you to provide a scripture that says saving faith causes action.

The reason you can’t is it does exist.

The other problem you have is there is no such thing called “saving faith”.

That just another man made term not found in the Bible.

Faith comes from God.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

Faith comes to us when we hear Him speak to us.

Faith is activated (made alive) when we obey what we hear, otherwise faith remain dead, dormant and there inactive just as a body with out a spirit is inactive being incomplete.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

You just did it for me

faith without works is dead

in contrast. Living faith works.. thats why we can determine if one has a dead faith or real faith.. or actually in context. James is telling people to examine themselves. he did not tell us to be fruit inspectors

Abraham was saved by faith in Gen 15 decades before he offered his son.. His work PROVED his faith was real. and it also verified That God correct in saving him decades earlier

 

[praise_yeshua]

yep.. Thats how satan decieves us, as he decieved satan, that God is holding back. and we can still be righteous enough

Don't confuse obedience with self promotion. You're actually not promoting Christ when you claim what you're claiming.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

No you didn’t answer that’s just it, because the answer is obvious.

The work that Abraham did was to obey the word of faith.

The word by which he received faith.


Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. James 2:22-23

The work that made his faith complete was to obey the word from God to sacrifice his son.

Until then his faith he received from God by just “believing” when he looked up at the stars was INCOMPLETE.

ABRAHAM WAS SAVED IN GEN 15

Gen 15: 4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.” 5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

God saved him at this moment,

when Abraham offered up his son. KNOWING the promise, and as Paul said in romans KNOWING God would raise him from the dead.

His faith was perfected.

BUT HE WAS SAVED IN GEN !%

 

[praise_yeshua]

so here we have two passages, both in agreement

Not even remotely true. "James" claims that faith if perfected by works. Pay attention.