Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

[Runningman]

“Became flesh” does not mean the Word turned into a created being or ceased to be what He was. It means the Word, who was God, took on human nature. You’re forcing a false dilemma—either created flesh or nothing—while ignoring the plain teaching that the Word already was God (John 1:1) and then entered into creation without becoming a creature in His divine nature. Calling it “your god is created flesh” is simply a blatant categorical error on your part. Christianity teaches tabernacling, not transformation of deity into a created thing. And your tone about a “roadblock” only highlights that you’re not engaging the text as it stands. Instead, you’re redefining it so you can knock down a position no one is actually arguing.

"The Word became flesh" is still there. Became means be brought to pass, happen. No matter how you attempt to argue around it, you are stuck between a rock and a hard place with John 1:14. Since flesh is a creation of various compounds and elements, then either the Word became flesh and you accept a created god (idolatry) in your religion or the Word didn't become flesh and you have to reject what the Bible says. I think the route you are trying to unsuccessfully take is, rather than outright deny what John 1:14 says, you are instead trying to change it and disguise it as religious. You're distorting what John 1:14 because the Word being flesh is a stumbling block to your theology.

Romans 1
25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

 

[Peterlag]

But if you don't believe He is God..that is just a man doing all that.

What "common men" friends do you have that are considered the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the now resurrected Lord Christ to the Christian who sits at the right hand of God as second in command and is the head of the Church that is called the body of Christ?

 

[Peterlag]

It should have been taught in second grade that words are not living creatures...

I said to the other employees last week that the word of the boss came down from the office that we all need to be there Tuesday. Nobody believed the boss Frank and his word were two separate living creatures.

If the word of the Lord means something different from the way words are used referring to the word of men? Then God set up different boundaries for me to function in that are different from the way He communicates to me. Thus, English is no longer a useful tool for communication.

The word "logos" (Word) denotes (I) "the expression of thought" as embodying a conception or idea. λόγος "logos" is something said (including the thought). So, the word "logos" means an expression of thought. It makes perfect sense if we use this understanding everywhere the word "logos" is used. So, in John 1:1 the Word is not Jesus, but rather it became flesh, which is God's expression of thought or plan that became flesh with the coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[360watt]

Bolded and highlighted in red to make it trinitarian proof. Who is the only God mentioned getting glory in the entire chapter?

The Father getting noted as God does not negate Jesus also being fully God.

This doesn't deny Jesus's deity, but shows the interrelationship in the Godhead.

A statement affirming something doesn't mean the opposite of it is also true..

For example:

Being baptised for the forgiveness of sins.

Doesn't mean 'don't get baptized and you have no forgiveness of sin'

Because of the likes of John asserting belief in Jesus with little mention of baptism.

 

[360watt]

What "common men" friends do you have that are considered the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the now resurrected Lord Christ to the Christian who sits at the right hand of God as second in command and is the head of the Church that is called the body of Christ?

Then he would be a mortal man that has kingly titles. Some how still able to manipulate the supernatural itself.

If you say he is some kind of lesser God.. then you are polytheistic